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    Quote Originally Posted by Tingtong View Post
    Geez, gone are the days of moving to south east Asian to live like a king on a western pension .
    I can't speak from personal experirnce, but my Canadian friend, Brad (the cheap Charlie guy) spends all his time in Vietnam now. He thinks he gets way more bang for his buck there. He says the women all have careers and the country "seems" more westernized. He says Thailand still seems a bit stuck in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Forbes View Post
    I can't speak from personal experirnce, but my Canadian friend, Brad (the cheap Charlie guy) spends all his time in Vietnam now. He thinks he gets way more bang for his buck there. He says the women all have careers and the country "seems" more westernized. He says Thailand still seems a bit stuck in the past.
    From my tourist trips I would say it's much less Westernized, by a lot
    Compared to Thailand

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    From my tourist trips I would say it's much less Westernized, by a lot
    Compared to Thailand
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    I think , "a bit of both ".
    I think that the Vietnamese of the bush are just as 'unfathomable' to the Westerner as the Thai , and may well be much less 'better off' when it comes to material possessions ...
    But the Vietnamese pretty much are a 'diaspora' today , and I am sure per capita , way more Vietnamese have relatives living around the world than the Thai , and because of that , they hear about Western trends ( business opportunities ) and are much more used to catering to Western ways.

    Its back to the 'never been colonised' thing.
    The Viets have , and by 2 quite different powerful Western countries.
    Loads of Viets live in France ( and therefore varios French colonies ) and the USA.

    Its a while since I was in Saigon , but all the things I like , such as great coffee , croissants , baguettes , ham , wine and cheeses , imported beers ...was all way more readily available and cheaper in Vietnam than Thailand.
    Taxis as well.
    It only appeared to be rooms that cost a bit more.
    The beaches near HCM werent a patch on those down here , so I wont be rushing to live in "Nam" any time soon.
    Didnt think the girls were as pretty either - and certainly less approachable.

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    Thanks for the "other" side of the story. Brad is not what I would call the standard western voice of opinion. 555

    I've never been. so I can't give a personal opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    I think , "a bit of both ".
    I think that the Vietnamese of the bush are just as 'unfathomable' to the Westerner as the Thai , and may well be much less 'better off' when it comes to material possessions ...
    But the Vietnamese pretty much are a 'diaspora' today , and I am sure per capita , way more Vietnamese have relatives living around the world than the Thai , and because of that , they hear about Western trends ( business opportunities ) and are much more used to catering to Western ways.

    Its back to the 'never been colonised' thing.
    The Viets have , and by 2 quite different powerful Western countries.
    Loads of Viets live in France ( and therefore varios French colonies ) and the USA.

    Its a while since I was in Saigon , but all the things I like , such as great coffee , croissants , baguettes , ham , wine and cheeses , imported beers ...was all way more readily available and cheaper in Vietnam than Thailand.
    Taxis as well.
    It only appeared to be rooms that cost a bit more.
    The beaches near HCM werent a patch on those down here , so I wont be rushing to live in "Nam" any time soon.
    Didnt think the girls were as pretty either - and certainly less approachable.
    Those are very good points about the relatives overseas and the influences

    But as a day to day basis, I don't even think it comes close and think Thailand is way more Westernized
    And not necessarily a good thing not not entirely a bad thing either

    For some reason I am thinking of my stepson in his last year of high school this year lives a pretty similar life to any Western kid
    Goes to a big school, hangs out at the movies and big malls.
    Often is out eating at fast food places like Pizza Company

    And I think Thais are interacting with Westerners more


    On the flip side
    I think the Vietnamese that are young and in school have a much better curiosity like Westerners vs Thais

    As for the girls
    I think Thailand has a loy more pretty girls but the prettiest Vietnamese is more pretty than the prettiest Thai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    Im just transferring important info to my 2019 new diary and I see there that I brought in exactly $30k aud in 2008 when I moved here from NSW to Phuket.
    The xrate was , back then , 28.81 baht to a dollar aud.

    This year I had to bring in $40k aud in early October , at 22.57 . ( So as to 'mature' my money for 3 months as part of Retirement Visa Extension conditions.)
    This was NOT a good time to bring in money it turns out , as the aud is now UP a full baht or more on that.
    So 40,000 baht I didnt get at exchange could have bought me a nice Honda Click scooter ! ( or paid near 2 months rent .)
    So it goes..

    I dont lead a frugal life like you describe above.
    But I dont live a 'flash' one either.
    I do support a fairly frugal Thai lady but , and help support her grand daughter who lives with us.
    Run a truck and motorcycles..have a trip home and/or OS each year.
    And we do live in Phuket which must be one of the most expensive provinces.

    30k aus wouldnt do it for me now , particularly with an Australian government committed to driving the aud down and keeping it low.
    My "Super" earns well more than $40k a year , so Im not overly worried 'should something happen' .
    I would imagine that just scraping by in paying to live here would not a be something I would willingly embrace either.
    Thanks Chob yep I was just thinking 30K would get me by being a single male but yep I can even see how different lifestyles the costs can accumulate at the moment I am just doing holidays which suits me. I have been to Ho Chi Minh last year and thought some prices were a lot lower than Thailand like Saigon beer at a an expats bar was 80c this was like a larger than your standard 330ml bottle again go to a club and prices are the same as back in Oz. Other things like accomodation was not as good value as Thailand. Personally I thought the girls were more attractive but at the same time the P4P scene is not like Thailand

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    Quote Originally Posted by joca View Post
    Thanks Chob yep I was just thinking 30K would get me by being a single male but yep I can even see how different lifestyles the costs can accumulate at the moment I am just doing holidays which suits me. I have been to Ho Chi Minh last year and thought some prices were a lot lower than Thailand like Saigon beer at a an expats bar was 80c this was like a larger than your standard 330ml bottle again go to a club and prices are the same as back in Oz. Other things like accomodation was not as good value as Thailand. Personally I thought the girls were more attractive but at the same time the P4P scene is not like Thailand
    Hi everyone just been reading a thread on Trip Advisor just curious about the cost of beer at bars around the different areas of Thailand I said I was paying 100 baht at a bar in Center Point in Ao Nang (the most touristy part of Ao Nang) this was for a large Chang I thought the price was reasonable , other guys chimed in saying Ao Nang is one of the most expensive places in Thailand so what does beer cost in other places?
    From memory I was paying 100 Baht for a small Leo or Chang at the beer bars I think the cheapest I saw was a small Leo for 80 Baht at a regular bar.
    Interested to know what the price of beer is even in the backwaters of Thailand and the most expensive which I assume would be Bangkok Phuket and Islands like Koh Samui.

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    From 4 till 7pm , a standard beer @ 330 mls ( Chang , Singha, Leo ) at e Kamala Aussie Bar is 60 baht. Add 10 to 20 baht outside those hours.

    Even on Bangla rd , Patong you can get 80 baht beers all night , or 99 baht Leos at the Go Gos.

    In the bush , say Nahkon Si Tammerat ( NST - South ) or Chiang Rai ( North West ) , the same can be had for 45 , 50 or 55 baht. Some people may say there are 'Bar Scenes' at these places , but if 6 or 8 bars constiute a 'scene' ... well , ok.

    But surely nobody worth their salt would live there on that basis alone.
    Usually theres a Thai lady ( partner/regular poke ) living there.
    If a 'her indoors' is , for those farangs unaffordable , then we are talking about blokes who are trying to get by on 200 or $300 aud a week.
    Not my idea of Retirement.

    Not referring to you joca , but if blokes are basing their retirement location on a 10 or even 20 baht price differential on a beer , they really shouldnt be here in the first place. My 10 years of local observations tell me that nothing good ever happens to poor people arriving in already poor countries..
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    Is that bald headed twat thailand rob still living there ,when i was there i was thinking about going to colonel klinks grill house but apparently his prices are western style so decided against it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    From 4 till 7pm , a standard beer @ 330 mls ( Chang , Singha, Leo ) at e Kamala Aussie Bar is 60 baht. Add 10 to 20 baht outside those hours.

    Even on Bangla rd , Patong you can get 80 baht beers all night , or 99 baht Leos at the Go Gos.

    In the bush , say Nahkon Si Tammerat ( NST - South ) or Chiang Rai ( North West ) , the same can be had for 45 , 50 or 55 baht. Some people may say there are 'Bar Scenes' at these places , but if 6 or 8 bars constiute a 'scene' ... well , ok.

    But surely nobody worth their salt would live there on that basis alone.
    Usually theres a Thai lady ( partner/regular poke ) living there.
    If a 'her indoors' is , for those farangs unaffordable , then we are talking about blokes who are trying to get by on 200 or $300 aud a week.
    Not my idea of Retirement.

    Not referring to you joca , but if blokes are basing their retirement location on a 10 or even 20 baht price differential on a beer , they really shouldnt be here in the first place. My 10 years of local observations tell me that nothing good ever happens to poor people arriving in already poor countries..
    Thanks Chob If I was going to spend any length of time in Thailand it would be around the tourist towns, at the moment doing 10 day holidays about 4 to 5 times a year around SE Asia. I thought 100 Baht for a large Chang was a great price just some other guy chimed in and said how expensive beer in Ao Nang is ??? I am in a good position financially so not to worried although I am a tight ass sometimes and always fly budget airlines, I have even caught the public bus to Perth Airport a few times when sitting at home bored the way i look at it Taxi/ Uber $70/50 to get to airport bus=$4 takes an hour longer. I worked in a foundry in another life and was getting $25 an hour So by catching the bus i saved the equivalent of 2 hours of hard graft .
    My weakness is going out which even back here in OZ makes up the majority of my cost of living.
    I have a couple of mates who are financially wreckless have no assets whatsever but wont fly anything but Thai airways and they stay at flash hotels.

    "but if blokes are basing their retirement location on a 10 or even 20 baht price differential on a beer , they really shouldnt be here in the first place. My 10 years of local observations tell me that nothing good ever happens to poor people arriving in already poor countries..[/QUOTE]'

    Yep I can see this being a big problem they want to live the lifestyle but shouldnt really be there, anyway the way the THB is going it will sort everything out the AUD has dropped another baht since i was there in Nov 2018. Was getting 23.7 now 22.7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    From 4 till 7pm , a standard beer @ 330 mls ( Chang , Singha, Leo ) at e Kamala Aussie Bar is 60 baht. Add 10 to 20 baht outside those hours.

    Even on Bangla rd , Patong you can get 80 baht beers all night , or 99 baht Leos at the Go Gos.

    In the bush , say Nahkon Si Tammerat ( NST - South ) or Chiang Rai ( North West ) , the same can be had for 45 , 50 or 55 baht. Some people may say there are 'Bar Scenes' at these places , but if 6 or 8 bars constiute a 'scene' ... well , ok.

    But surely nobody worth their salt would live there on that basis alone.
    Usually theres a Thai lady ( partner/regular poke ) living there.
    If a 'her indoors' is , for those farangs unaffordable , then we are talking about blokes who are trying to get by on 200 or $300 aud a week.
    Not my idea of Retirement.

    Not referring to you joca , but if blokes are basing their retirement location on a 10 or even 20 baht price differential on a beer , they really shouldnt be here in the first place. My 10 years of local observations tell me that nothing good ever happens to poor people arriving in already poor countries..
    I was in Hermosa Beach LA on the pier last Sunday for the Patriots game
    The place was absolutely packed

    Beers were 80baht, bottle or draft

    I walked out of there with a bill about 1200baht for 3 1/2 hours

    I couldn't spend money in LA last weekend

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    Some of the 45bht beer bars in Pattaya are always busy during the day but they are not exactly my idea of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zablive View Post
    Still a Communist regime.
    as opposed to a capitalist cabal! yet its environment is better off....maybe that cost will be reconciled someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockitt View Post
    Some of the 45bht beer bars in Pattaya are always busy during the day but they are not exactly my idea of fun.
    better off hitting the 7/11 and paying bare minimum baht, wondering the streets(beer in hand) as you see life go down from ground zero- make em feel the exchange rate bite......

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    I'm really interested in the cost of living... I'm planning on retiring there in the next couple of years considering Au has pretty much put the mockers on moving back here to NZ which is quite disapointing to say the least.

    I have a mate I used to work with, he is retired in Ang Thong with his lady. He's not flush with cash or assets, maybe the proceedsd from a house sale in NZ. He says that he is doing really well on the NZ Superannuation payments which are around $800 a fortnight. He's not a spender and lives quite frugally.. or more accurately, he is prudent with his out goings. He pays rent for the modest accomodation with his lady and I'm sure they share costs involved with living together. I'm not 100% sure though.

    Au relates to me the costs of food etc locally in Ban Pao but that is out in the boonies. I think that for me, I would need regular trips to bigger centres like BKK and CM. Khon Kaen, the closest city is ok although a 90 minute drive. I grew up by and in the sea and find living inland challenging lol.
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    Don't do it Cuzzy! You are in the best location in the world to live... now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuzzy View Post
    I'm really interested in the cost of living... I'm planning on retiring there in the next couple of years considering Au has pretty much put the mockers on moving back here to NZ which is quite disapointing to say the least.

    I have a mate I used to work with, he is retired in Ang Thong with his lady. He's not flush with cash or assets, maybe the proceedsd from a house sale in NZ. He says that he is doing really well on the NZ Superannuation payments which are around $800 a fortnight. He's not a spender and lives quite frugally.. or more accurately, he is prudent with his out goings. He pays rent for the modest accomodation with his lady and I'm sure they share costs involved with living together. I'm not 100% sure though.

    Au relates to me the costs of food etc locally in Ban Pao but that is out in the boonies. I think that for me, I would need regular trips to bigger centres like BKK and CM. Khon Kaen, the closest city is ok although a 90 minute drive. I grew up by and in the sea and find living inland challenging lol.
    As a lifelong seaside dweller and sailor I had no reservations in moving to CM. Boating? ... been there done than for 50 odd years. Now, we take holidays abroad, on water, where someone else skippers the boat
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    Good ta hear from you again ...been a while since I read anything from our 'Cuzzy'...555
    Will try to be brief.

    1st is what the Thai Gov now requires from a retiree....
    In short : Do an "O-A" visa in Aus or NZ before you come !
    Google the requirements , but the advantage is that you can leave the equivalent of 800k baht in Aus/NZ , and then get TWO years out of your 1 year visa.
    No need to go into why now , but you can.

    So in 2 years time ( as from today ) , and ASSUMING that Thai Immigration ( TI ) haven yet again changed the rules , you will need 800k in a Thai bank , untouchable for a seeding period of 2 months before 'Retirement Extension ' date , and two months after. Then , get this new one , you have to leave 400k baht in a Thai bank ...forever ( or until you decide you are leaving.)
    Thats the basics , OR ;
    You make deposits of 65k baht , from Aus/NZ into a Thai bank that show the money is coming from O/S for a full 12 months over your 2nd year here.
    That also qualifies you ( at this point of time ) for a "Retirement Extension" for the date 2 years later.

    C of L ?
    BY far the best deal here in LOS is low rents.
    Very low.
    $100 aud a week ( outside Bkk ) will do it.

    With a Thai missus who actually cooks well , though I noticed you cook well , eating is cheap to.
    We probably spend $80 to $100 aud , but there are 3 of us.
    The more cheese , wine , steak , lamb you eat , the more it will go up.
    Same as eating out.
    Many places charge as much as at home if you want authentic falang food.
    I saw an average Italian place today that charged 250 bt for any spaghetti ( thats about $13aud ) and the cheapest wine was 900 bt ( $38 aud ) and it was S.Af. rubbish !

    But a hearty bowl of noodles nearby was 50 baht. Beer 50 baht.

    We are creatures of our upbringing.
    WE crave stuff that the Thai Gov has recognised and taxes heavily.
    If yoiu can suppress your cravings you will do ok , particularly in rural Thailand.

    But I live in Phuket , where you see it all , and want to buy it.

    Your mates $400 a week is a tad low for the 'beach locations' like Phuket - I need a min of $600 aud ... $400 may be more doable nr Pats or Samui.

    Remember that Health Insurance , outpatient health costs , and Flights/trips home or O/S holidays will add a lot to a careful budget...

    BTW , I spend $40k aud a year , and while we 3 dont want for much , none of us are the types to "want" a lot either.
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    Hey brew,

    You got your heart set on Thailand or just comfortable living? Cause your budget would go twice as far in Bali. The place is a dump for holidays, but for retirement I'd personally give it serious thought. It can be nice further out of town, away from the touristy places.
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