Phuket Taxi and Transfers

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 48

Thread: Mine protesters shot by police

  1. #1
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399

    Mine protesters shot by police

    South Africa today.
    Protesting mineworkers are mown down by police using assault rifles.
    Errrrrmmmm.....
    Anyone remember the furore of the Sharpeville massacre?
    This is what caused the ANC to take up arms against the government.
    Nothing changes does it.

    And where the hell was Biggles.....?....when you needed him last Saturday....?

  2. #2
    Organic AI Quarky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    52,344
    That's a terrible turn of events. Like you I hope it doesn't lead to more violence...

    BBC News - South Africa's Lonmin Marikana mine clashes killed 34
    My only experience was in a pie making factory managing the gravy team


  3. #3
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน PeteGill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    15,199
    Sad day in SA history... Shades of the past unfortunately, do we ever learn the lessons of history?

  4. #4
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399
    One year one, no-one is taking responsibility for this massacre.
    Dozens of poor working people shot down by black police with automatic weapons on prime time TV. Eyewitness reports since tell of the wounded later being shot multiple times where they fell.

    This has to be a watershed for the ANC led government who appear to be presiding over the very thing they said they fought so long to change.

    Why should we just let this outrage slip away?
    A mining company called Lonmin just keeps on going and a government tries to pretend it was someone else's fault.

    Not....Good....Enough.


  5. #5
    Uber Star Soi wanderer Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Bacon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Perth, West Oz
    Age
    37
    Posts
    10,825
    Wouldn't necessarily point the finger to South Africa's socio-political dynamics, although that was no doubt an enabler of the events.

    Always follow the money. I've sat a meetings here with General managers of companies who at signs of trouble have been prepared to raise hell in China if their orders of Steel were late. And all it takes is one guy on the next plane with a bag of money and you'd have cops cracking heads over there. This is a big reality.
    Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.


  6. #6
    Foundation Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Minder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Perth , Australia
    Age
    59
    Posts
    3,515
    The protesters kill a few security guards and a couple of police in the days leading up and then when the police assemble in numbers at the mine, they refuse to disperse and then they run at the heavily armed police waving machetes and clubs ....

    It looked like it a year ago and it still looks like "Suicide by Cop" to me.

    Good coverage and background regarding the tensions between the two unions etc at the mine on this youtube clip.



    Enjoy...
    Life is the unexpected ...

  7. #7
    Uber Star Soi wanderer Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน meese's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    5,556
    Quote Originally Posted by Changone View Post
    One year one, no-one is taking responsibility for this massacre.
    Dozens of poor working people shot down by black police with automatic weapons on prime time TV. Eyewitness reports since tell of the wounded later being shot multiple times where they fell.

    This has to be a watershed for the ANC led government who appear to be presiding over the very thing they said they fought so long to change.

    Why should we just let this outrage slip away?
    A mining company called Lonmin just keeps on going and a government tries to pretend it was someone else's fault.

    Not....Good....Enough.

    did not really want to comment but here goes...there are quiet a few parts to the story...perhaps all did not go out internationally..the main squabble was between 2 unions...both want control of the work force...lots of money involved....both union bosses are extreamly rich men(and pretened to believe in socialism)....Lonmin mine had very little to do with that....one union was demanding a basic wage of R12500...which is a large amount of money..the other union was loosing members..

    As for the shootings...the miners have killed a few policemen the day before....just look how well armed they were ..all were carrying panga's and nobkerries(sticks with nobs on the end)...if you look at the footage they were marching down the kopie(small hill) towards the police...it has also emerged that many had been givin muti to protect them from bullets...so felt that they could not get shot...of course the police could have shown restraint...but when a mob are running at you armed like they were..not easy....i am not a big fan of the anc goverment but dont think they had much to do with things...there is an inquiery which is dragging there heels...(it would be to hard to explain why here...lots of infighting within the alliance)
    btw Lonmin paid for all the funerals and the education of the deceased children...bit harsh to blame them for this

    have a look at minders vid that he has put up..might make things a little clearer....remember its Africa...nothing is as it seems its not the west

  8. #8
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399
    So machine gunning crowds of protesting people has just become an acceptable way of life and the people they shot got what they deserved?
    With attitudes like this it's crystal clear why nothing has been done.
    What a crock.

    I don't really care what criminals do behind the scenes, or how many thugs they employ to do their dirty work. I am much more interested in why nobody seems remotely interested in them being brought to justice.

    Maybe it is because the police force resort to "Payback" and "Tit for tat" in the good old fashioned tribal way of Africa that they never have to resort to proper policing.

    Frankly I don't give toss if two unions are fighting and they stir things up.
    You don't solve things by mowing people down wholesale.
    And you don't kill any live witnesses in order to save your own worthless hide.
    Well not if you live in a "Civilized" country.










  9. #9
    Uber Star Soi wanderer Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน meese's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    5,556
    this will just get into a argument...it seems you have very little knowledge about what goes on here...so very difficult to debate the issues with you...im not sure what a civilized counrty is these days...

    btw not trying to defend the shooting's...it should have been avoided at all cost

  10. #10
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399
    No debate then, I will defer to your superior knowledge of what goes on in your country.
    However, I will always oppose this kind of thing. Tian an men square, Cairo, Sharpeville, Ohio State University, Bangkok, they all had their reasons

  11. #11
    Uber Star Soi wanderer Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน slampay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Geographicaly, Cali!
    Posts
    3,319
    I think you mean 'Kent State'... Ohio State has ALOT of jacks offs going their, but as of yet, nobody's slaughtered them.

  12. #12
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399
    I blame Neil Young.....

  13. #13
    Uber Star Soi wanderer Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน meese's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    5,556
    Quote Originally Posted by Changone View Post
    Anyone remember the furore of the Sharpeville massacre?
    This is what caused the ANC to take up arms against the government.
    Nothing changes does it.

    just for the record..Sharpeville was PAC not ANC...

  14. #14
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399
    Lonmin mine owners finally stepping up with an apology.
    This is a start.
    The government (ANC) wasn't represented there on the day, citing political bias.

    BBC News - Marikana shooting: Lonmin apologises for South Africa deaths

  15. #15
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399
    Quote Originally Posted by meese View Post
    just for the record..Sharpeville was PAC not ANC...
    Is this really hair splitting?

    Wiki quote
    The Sharpeville massacre led to the banning of the PAC and ANC. The massacre was one of the catalysts for a shift from passive resistance to armed resistance by these organisations.



  16. #16
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน PeteGill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    15,199
    ^^^^ We have come a long way C1, but we still have a very long way to go too... Perhaps not in my lifetime. However there is hope for the future.. The born free generation (Born in or after 1994) are now entering adulthood. They are the ones that will hopefully take SA forward.. Without harbouring the baggage of the past.. Both ways..

    Meanwhile it is not all gloom and doom in Africa.. Namibia has quietly got on with things and is setting a good example...

    Cool Namibia | News24

  17. #17
    Uber Star Soi wanderer Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน meese's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    5,556
    Quote Originally Posted by Changone View Post
    Is this really hair splitting?

    Wiki quote
    The Sharpeville massacre led to the banning of the PAC and ANC. The massacre was one of the catalysts for a shift from passive resistance to armed resistance by these organisations.


    not really as the PAC had called for the handing in of pass books..not the Anc???.its quiet an important point in saffa history..becouse the Anc felt that they were being left behind in the struggle and formed Mkhonto We Sizwe..better know as MK (armed wing of anc) under the leadership of Mandela...they did not really do much as they were all soon arrested and sent to the island...took them a while to regroup under Tambo who had fled into excile

  18. #18
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน Changone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    .
    Posts
    12,399
    Bit like the IRA, Provisional IRA, Sinn Fein (Outlawed Political wing) INLA, Continuity IRA and finally "The real IRA" in Ireland during the "Troubles" then?
    Today Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams are respectable politicians.

  19. #19
    ประเทศไทยเพื่อน Founding Member Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน PeteGill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    15,199
    Quote Originally Posted by Changone View Post
    Bit like the IRA, Provisional IRA, Sinn Fein (Outlawed Political wing) INLA, Continuity IRA and finally "The real IRA" in Ireland during the "Troubles" then?
    Today Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams are respectable politicians.
    One man's terrorist is another's freedom-fighter.....

    The PAC and ANC were always very different organistions....

  20. #20
    Uber Star Soi wanderer Thai Dreamer ผู้เพ้อฝัน meese's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    5,556
    Quote Originally Posted by Changone View Post
    Bit like the IRA, Provisional IRA, Sinn Fein (Outlawed Political wing) INLA, Continuity IRA and finally "The real IRA" in Ireland during the "Troubles" then?
    Today Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams are respectable politicians.
    PAC have just about disapeared now and a Pete has posted they are very differant organistions..way apart from each other...as said before very difficult to debate this....have just posted the last few posts to keep others in the loop so to speak...will stop now...Politics lol..just causes problems....
    btw these are not my opionons..rather the facts...
    Last edited by meese; 18th August 2013 at 22:52.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •