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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    Dude. There are many beautiful things in this life to enjoy. Why do you dwell on all this meaning of life wanking?
    Give me an example of one of the beautiful things in this life. What is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGrass View Post
    Give me an example of one of the beautiful things in this life. What is it?
    Wouldn't it be your kids?


    And life is beautiful
    Just waking up and enjoying your life....
    Sounds corny but it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    Dude. There are many beautiful things in this life to enjoy. Why do you dwell on all this meaning of life wanking?
    I'm with GGrass... for me there is ONLY the meaning of life.. everything else is a distraction... that I tend to enjoy anyway in a "This isn't really serious sort of way". ..55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Forbes View Post
    Life is a series of choices. It ain't a religion, but it's a form of karma.
    The thing about causal determinism is that you don't have a choice.

    Lets pick a major choice you "think" you made in your life, if you could somehow transport yourself back to that point in time without the hindsight (future knowledge) causal determinism says you would make exactly the same choice as you did the first time round.

    So you don't really have choices, just the illusion of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    For me the difference between causality and determinism is like the difference between Karma and Kismet..
    That's the first mistake right there, causality and determinism aren't separate things, they are termed causal determinism.

    People often get causal determinism and predeterminism, fatalism and self-determination mixed up when they are very different things.

    Basicly causal determinism means that an event is necessitated by antecedent events and conditions (something that existed before) together with the laws of nature

    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    In Kismet Muslims believe that everything is "written", predetermined..
    predetermined basicly means events determined in advance which is different as its doesn't take into account conditions

    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    Karma is based on the same causality, every effect comes from it's causes.

    But that does not mean fatalism, it just means you cannot directly influence the effects, nor can you control all of the causes..
    But by creating positive causes, you will aid the ultimate outcome on the effect side...
    To me, this is where Buddhist philosophy is different from fatalism.. Change the causes for the better, and eventually the effects will better..
    Fatalism basicly means things where fated to happen ie Fate has arbitrary power to act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    I lasted 15 minutes of the vid, before deciding I had a choice to turn it off.. 555

    Non-existence of free-will imho IS fatalism!
    Sorry they are very different things like I posted above

    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    Why try anything if it does not exist? It's the end of things like morality, conscious behavior or even tolerance..
    Very dangerous stuff..
    New things still exist, it's just that a series of events have lead up to it.

    The more interesting thing that you are starting to think about is it right to judge someone as "bad" when they had no free will in their actions? Get back to the Buddhist view in some ways of compassion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGrass View Post
    Give me an example of one of the beautiful things in this life. What is it?
    Flowers are pretty. That's one..
    I just girl in bar. Buy me one dink?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    I suspect only Phaisan may "get it". 55
    Sam gets it, but is all to casual about it as he can't handle the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    Hence why when AI reaches the singularity (2043 see sig) we won't be able to tell the difference between humans and computers... except they get much smarter real quick...
    Going off topic, but lets explain real quick, think the last 20,000 years of human knowledge learnt by a computer in a week!

    Now lets extrapolate that forward a week and compare how far humans have come in 20,000 years then another week and so on.

    Scary stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    The Matrix starts with a situation where AI has already taken over and people are living in a simulation..
    Oh your one of those don't know we are already in the simulation.

    For the simple verison

    Elon Musk

    "The strongest argument for us being in a simulation, probably being in a simulation, is the following: 40 years ago, we had Pong, two rectangles and a dot…That is what games were. Now, 40 years later, we have photorealistic 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously, and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, augmented reality. If you assume any rate of improvement at all, the games will become indistinguishable from reality."


    The more involved read about the Trilemma or the Bostrom's "simulation argument"

    1."The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage (that is, one capable of running high-fidelity ancestor simulations) is very close to zero", or

    2."The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero", or

    3."The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one"
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGrass View Post
    How will this make it easier to move forward?

    Move from where? To where?

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    I am what I am because of what I was yesterday.

    And because of what I am, I will be.

    What was I before? What am I now? And what will I be in the future?

    Before, I was a carpenter, making stuff with woods, using special tools that were designed specifically to cut and carve wood to turn it into furniture or whatever device humans could use in their everyday life, such as baskets or cutting boards, etc.

    Today I am nobody doing nothing and making nothing, although I occasionally make some pizzas, but other than that, I can't really say I am anything much.

    And in the future... I'm talking somewhere around 3 billion years from now, I will be part of the universe that created me in the first place.
    Without trying to be obtuse, do some research on what I and Distantpeak have talked about without it you most likely won't understand, which is obvious to us from your questions.

    But basicly you are judging yourself/life on something you can't possibly have changed. So why are you doing that? is doing that going to make you happy?

    BTW humans aren't biologically designed to be happy, hence the Buddhist view "life is suffering"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    I now believe we are all immortal. Life is an illusion that fools us into thinking it has an end...

    I'll be back... 55
    We are all only star dust
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    Quote Originally Posted by phaisan View Post
    Without trying to be obtuse, do some research on what I and Distantpeak have talked about without it you most likely won't understand, which is obvious to us from your questions.

    But basicly you are judging yourself/life on something you can't possibly have changed. So why are you doing that? is doing that going to make you happy?

    BTW humans aren't biologically designed to be happy, hence the Buddhist view "life is suffering"
    Amen to that.

    I'd like to do more reading and study on what you said, but... to be really honest, I'm too lazy. But little by little I will study.

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    In real life, I often get told by people, sometimes even complete stranger, that I should shave my head and become a monk. They say if I do that I will understand the meaning of life better and the suffering will be less. But I never go around telling people about my life's suffering or stuff like that, they just see me and feel sorry for me that they tell me a way to ease the suffering.

    In cyber world, it is the same. I talk about stuff in my head and it doesn't take long before someone tells me to study one of the religions. Often Buddism is suggested, but I've been suggested other major religions, such as Islam, Christian, etc.

    I feel like a patient in a hospital, seeing different specialists for my disease.

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    I for one are so glad Distantpeak and Phaisan are "so superior" to the rest of us (in their humble opinions 555!) that only they "understand" - so let them worry about this stuff and the rest of us mere mortals can get on living in reality.
    You should join us Ggrass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zablive View Post
    I for one are so glad Distantpeak and Phaisan are "so superior" to the rest of us (in their humble opinions 555!) that only they "understand" - so let them worry about this stuff and the rest of us mere mortals can get on living in reality.
    You should join us Ggrass.
    I think I pass as a mere mortal because my immediate and most recurring worries are

    1. What to eat for breakfast?
    2. What to eat for lunch?
    3. What to eat for dinner?
    4. What to do for living?

    And every once in a blue moon I worry about the meaning of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGrass View Post
    I think I pass as a mere mortal because my immediate and most recurring worries are

    1. What to eat for breakfast?
    2. What to eat for lunch?
    3. What to eat for dinner?
    4. What to do for living?

    And every once in a blue moon I worry about the meaning of life.
    Meaning of life is 42 Read hitch hikers guide to the galaxy lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zablive View Post
    I for one are so glad Distantpeak and Phaisan are "so superior" to the rest of us (in their humble opinions 555!) that only they "understand" - so let them worry about this stuff and the rest of us mere mortals can get on living in reality.
    You should join us Ggrass.
    Who said anything about being superior? You all have the chance to understand if you want to... and I am sure there are many who do understand... that haven't commentated because they don't feel the need to... (I suspect Jonty is one of those)

    We all have different motivations in life... I have been obsessed about the idea of "Why, What and Where am I?" since I was a kid, so it's become part of who I am... some people are obsessed by motorbikes or football and understand those fields more than most.. doesn't make them superior...
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    In other words, kill them all and let God sort it out. If it feels good at the time then go for it. Maybe Donald Trump was right all along.... Just grab them by the pussy.

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    Just came back from the newly opened Central Mahachai and... my kids left both of their Ipads in two separate places and we only realized they were gone on our way home, so I made a quick U turn and returned to the shopping mall and to my surprise, both have been returned to the front desk, it was amazing. It tells a lot about Thai people's morality. I am thoroughly impressed. Wow...
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