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    Myanmar

    Myanmar, what used to be known as Burma is now being touted as the new "Gold rush". Land prices are going up and you cant get a hotel room, as the new entrepreneurs scramble for a piece of the action.
    This all seems to have happened very quickly, almost as if the USA and UK gave it some kind of benediction. In spite of the fact that the military regime has simply cemented itself in power. Is this simply capitulation to economic greed and another sellout of democracy the same as in China? I mean all the communists had to do was agree to a capitalist economic model and bingo. It seems as though the military regime just toughed it out and kept the democratically elected leader under house arrest long enough for her to become marginalized and irrelevant.

    Does anyone see an opportunity for the small player to make some money here?
    And where the hell was Biggles.....?....when you needed him last Saturday....?

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    It's the new wild west... a small brave player will do well I imagine... a big brave player as well.... Myanmares? Or Goldmyan?
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    Interesting C1, I was reading a story last week about it.

    It appears the government has decided to open up its arm's in welcome to west Investment. The thing I like is they are looking at changing the property ownership.

    Curently it is like Thailand, you can't own more than 49% of a company etc but they are in favour of full ownership, if what I read is correct.

    The only thing that scares me a bit, is there is a set % of government seats allowcated to the military, i think is was 25 or 30% and any changes could be reversed at some later date.

    It certaily seems like a chance to get in early, especially for specialist in project management, legal etc.

    It seems like another China but on a smaller size.
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    It could open up mining type jobs within a very close proximity of Thailand That is how I can see a small player making money while being able to live from LOS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by G4orce View Post
    It could open up mining type jobs within a very close proximity of Thailand That is how I can see a small player making money while being able to live from LOS...
    Gary, I'm not sure but i don't think they have mineral resorse's, so mining not on.
    It look as if they want .. what's the word? ... mental intelegence, experience as well as investment.

    I think it require's a close monitoring over the next 6-12 month's, if they do what they say they are going to, it could be a gold mine, or a very big loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justcruzing1 View Post
    Gary, I'm not sure but i don't think they have mineral resorse's, so mining not on.
    It look as if they want .. what's the word? ... mental intelegence, experience as well as investment.

    I think it require's a close monitoring over the next 6-12 month's, if they do what they say they are going to, it could be a gold mine, or a very big loss.
    I thought you said it didn't have any mines... 555
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    I think they've got quite a few natural resources, metals etc and of course Oil, hence the rush to re-make friends with the regime before the Chinese get it all.
    And where the hell was Biggles.....?....when you needed him last Saturday....?

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    Heavy investment by china ... back room deals for roads bridges. Aussie company also building new plant US520 Mil smelting Rare Earths. (Worry about the left over radio actives later) Have relocated whole villages with some protests but if you have the "Army" approval. Recently in Tonga the investment by China there is also huge.
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    My friend Rob and I are looking at Myanmar as a possible destination for an exploration trip next year in 2013, so I've been doing some research on the web, and been getting some help by a BM on another forum. It looks like quite a huge difference from travelling to either Thailand or Cambodia.

    For one, the cost is much higher. This is because of a few factors, the roads being one, and a sadly lacking tourist infrastructure for another. Apparently the major highways are in a terrible state, so cheaper travel by bus is an option, but a very uncomfortable one by all accounts. On one website it warned that if you can possibly help it, do not sit at the back of a bus, as you will spend the entire journey being bounced out of your seat! 555 The train system is apparently old, not properly equipped with all the western comforts like AC, and quite slow and unreliable. The idea of renting a private car and driver, which works so well in Cambo, is much more expensive in Myanmar for some reason, tho this will take a bit more looking into. This all leaves air travel as the best option by far to travel from one city to another, and domestic air prices are far higher then elsewhere.

    Hotels are in short supply, as so are able to really price gouge. Trip Advisor generally lists all the hotels available in a city, and Yangon, the biggest city in Myanmar with a population of over 4 million, lists only 48 hotels and 27 Inns/B&B's. Compare that to Phnom Penh, which tho a much smaller city, lists 171 hotels and 174 Inns/B&B's on Trip Advisor. Bangkok has 711 Hotels listed, with a further 325 Inns/B&B's. So the price of an average room as compared to these other cities is double and sometimes triple what a comparable room would cost in Bangkok or Phnom Penh.

    Nightlife, as well, is very limited if it exists at all. One review of Mandalay that I read, for instance, stated that it did not have a single actual bar, which sounds pretty bizarre, as I'm thinking their must be some in hotels, etc. Yangon has the liveliest nightlife, by all accounts, and even it seems very limited. All that being said, Myanmar would not a choice to for someone interested mainly in partying. Spectacularly beautiful beaches exist along the southern coast, but again, the restort areas are pretty much dead in the evenings. A nice quiet retreat with the wife or girlfriend, for sure, but again not a place to head for a lot of late-night fun. This does not really put me off too much, as the main reason for us to go there would be cultural and historical.

    By all accounts, however, Myanmar is a spectacularly beautiful country in places, and the people are incredibly friendly. The government is seriously looking to boost tourism, so a lot is currently being done to improve things in that regard. Bagan, the valley of a thousand temples, is a big draw for thousands, myself included. The pictures and video I have seen of that area is simply breathtaking, and on a similar scale to Angkor, tho no one temple would compare to Angkor Wat. It is the profussion of temples, springing up all over the wide valley, that boggles the mind. Apparently there are still over 2,000 temples still viewable there, with many of them on a massive scale. There is a lot of geographical diversity there as well, as you have the long miles of coastline in the south, some of it in the southeast running right alongside Thailand, to the edge of the Himilayas in the north.

    Has anyone here actually been to Myanmar, and if so, what were your impressions?
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    I go with jonty maybe 2 year ago. 6 weeks. He work in some factory build for Australian company. Very different to cambodia thailand and Lao. Very old for technology. May be better now but phone never work. Not any big shop or hotel. Very basic everything. This ok for me but oh Jonty complain. Forget the place we stay for factory.

    Then some place on bay bengal is ok We have 1 week Ngwe Saung Beach. This be ok for you. We stay Bay of Bengal Resort. Oh this very for western tourists.

    Sorry can not help more only 1 week for tourist.

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    Thankyou for that! If you had to choose between a week in Laos or a week in Myanmar, which do you think you would choose? I talked to my friend tonight, and he is a bit uncertain about going to Myanmar, so our other option is Laos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanguy77 View Post
    Thankyou for that! If you had to choose between a week in Laos or a week in Myanmar, which do you think you would choose? I talked to my friend tonight, and he is a bit uncertain about going to Myanmar, so our other option is Laos.
    Easy question for me Lao. I can understand them talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daohoshi Dao View Post
    Easy question for me Lao. I can understand them talk.
    55555 ... yes, that would make it better, for sure! I have to start doing research on Laos now, to see what there is to see there. I only know of Vientienne and Luang Prabang, nothing more.

    Burma .... Myanmar .... has so much to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanguy77 View Post
    55555 ... yes, that would make it better, for sure! I have to start doing research on Laos now, to see what there is to see there. I only know of Vientienne and Luang Prabang, nothing more.

    Burma .... Myanmar .... has so much to see.
    I saw a doco on an amazing cave system in Laos, from memory it was central north west of Vientienne.... they were claiming it to be one of the best caves on the planet... Not sure if this is your thing though!
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    I just got a quote from a recommended travel agent in Myanmar .... expensive!!!!

    For an 8 day tour of 3 different locations, airfare, hotels, transportation and guide services included: just over $1,500 per person!! Considering Rob and I are going to Cambodia again in about 6 weeks, and are getting round trip private car between PP and SR, plus 5 full days of touring, which includes van, driver and guide the entire time, and hitting remote temple areas like Koh Ker, Preah Vihear and Banteay Chammar ... all for roughly $350 per person!! We pay our own hotels, of course, but our total hotel bill for the two weeks will be $465 for the full 2 weeks, it brings out total individual costs to $815. Quite a difference, especially considering we'll be in Cambo for 14 full days, as opposed to only 8 in Myanmar.

    I'm looking at cheaper options, but Myanmar just seems really expensive right now, and prices may decrease in a couple of years after more tourism development, at least that is what we are hoping.
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    At an investment conference and the comment was made that Myanmar is more expensive than Bangkok!! Basic problem is land ownership is/has? resided with the government so land for development (hotels, retail stores) is very limited and too expensive. Similar problem in Vietnam.
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    Our agent, Zaw from Santa Maria Travel, is really trying. I asked him to do a bit of trimming,and he got the price down to $890/person for 7 days, including domestic airfare, hotels and guides. That is $700 lower then the previous quote, so sounding much better. Still might be on the works for April.
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    Latest update ... Zaw brought his offer all the way down to $570/person, the only difference being that Rob and I would be responsible for booking our own hotel room in Yangon. Zaw's options seemed to be a $200/night 4-5 star hotel, or a 2 star dive. I had asked him about the East Hotel, which gets really good reviews on Trip Advisor, but he said that they did not work with Tour operators.

    So all day yesterday I had an email conversation going back and forth with the East Hotel, and we got the rooms for $68/night ... cheaper then the $79 I think it was that Agoda was selling them for. Deluxe room, breakfast included. So for slightly more then his last quote, we now have a good hotel in the heart of downtown Yangon, close to all the restaurants and clubs. It may seem a bit early, but for that time of year already many of the hotels in Yangon are filling up. Funny to have hotel rooms booked for the trip in April, tho, when I have not even taken the one in November yet! 555

    Afterwards I got ahold of Zaw at Santa Maria travel and told him that we were on for the tour. So for $570/person, we will be getting everything else .. hotel in Bagan, airport pickups and droppoffs, 3days of private tours and even the round-trip flight from Yangon to Bagan.

    BTW, phone calls to Myanmar are really expensive. Could not find a phone card here that gave more then about 17 minutes of calling on a $10 card. When calling Thailand, I can get around 400 minutes out of a $10 card.
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    Whats the go with Mynmar/Burma. I was driving home today and on the Radio News it was President Obama is in Burma, Burma this Burma that, he met the President of Burma. So do some countries recognise it as Mynamar, and others Burma ? I found this article on google where someone picked up that Obama has called it both names at some point Myanmar or Burma? Obama calls it both on visit - The Times of India
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arliss Michaels View Post
    Whats the go with Mynmar/Burma. I was driving home today and on the Radio News it was President Obama is in Burma, Burma this Burma that, he met the President of Burma. So do some countries recognise it as Mynamar, and others Burma ? I found this article on google where someone picked up that Obama has called it both names at some point Myanmar or Burma? Obama calls it both on visit - The Times of India
    Apparently both names still recognised...

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