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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    I know I grew up in one and we lived on the front porch in the summers

    Loved it!
    Then you can relate to the happy poor people you were baffled by...55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    Then you can relate to the happy poor people you were baffled by...55
    I wasn't baffled by the people at all, never said that............

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    I wasn't baffled by the people at all, never said that............
    Then why were they so happy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    Then why were they so happy?
    Because they are happy I would guess??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    Because they are happy I would guess??
    They're happy because they're happy? I'm baffled..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarky View Post
    Yet you didn't seem to like the place much?
    The fear and listlessness of many of the locals was very evident. Castro was on one of his periodic purges. Don't forget his secret police were trained by the East German Stasi
    who had 1 in 6 of the population giving information on friends, family and neighbours. Very obvious surveillance of us as tourists.

    Contrast that with the cheerfulness and vibrancy of Sri Lankan people who were in the middle of a civil war, the feeling in Cambodia and the full on drive and optimism in Vietnam at the same time. And Vietnam had a communist govt too.

    Cuba has everything going for it, the architecture is stunning, the weather better than Thailand, it is close to huge potential pool of tourists but has the elite in charge who put political dogma before the interests of its citizens.

    Will it ever change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLandHim View Post
    The fear and listlessness of many of the locals was very evident. Castro was on one of his periodic purges. Don't forget his secret police were trained by the East German Stasi
    who had 1 in 6 of the population giving information on friends, family and neighbours. Very obvious surveillance of us as tourists.

    Contrast that with the cheerfulness and vibrancy of Sri Lankan people who were in the middle of a civil war, the feeling in Cambodia and the full on drive and optimism in Vietnam at the same time. And Vietnam had a communist govt too.

    Cuba has everything going for it, the architecture is stunning, the weather better than Thailand, it is close to huge potential pool of tourists but has the elite in charge who put political dogma before the interests of its citizens.

    Will it ever change?
    Canada has a dictatorship as well. The only difference is we can vote them out of power every 4 years or so and vote in a different dictator. 555

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLandHim View Post
    The fear and listlessness of many of the locals was very evident. Castro was on one of his periodic purges. Don't forget his secret police were trained by the East German Stasi
    who had 1 in 6 of the population giving information on friends, family and neighbours. Very obvious surveillance of us as tourists.

    Contrast that with the cheerfulness and vibrancy of Sri Lankan people who were in the middle of a civil war, the feeling in Cambodia and the full on drive and optimism in Vietnam at the same time. And Vietnam had a communist govt too.

    Cuba has everything going for it, the architecture is stunning, the weather better than Thailand, it is close to huge potential pool of tourists but has the elite in charge who put political dogma before the interests of its citizens.

    Will it ever change?
    I think it has changed from when you were there in 2005, vastly I would think

    People are allowed to rent their apartment and rooms out in their houses I believe just in the last 5 years or so
    I don't think any of those great restaurants I went to would have been allowed to be running in 2005

    So every restaurant would have been govt run

    They now have internet wifi in parks and I think are getting it in their homes and phones in just a few months

    So your assessment in 2005 was probably pretty spot on but I'd be interested to see if you think all those changes have made a difference

    There is still a lot of things that are questionable
    The lack of food in a lot of places with what seems so much fertile land. I don't understand that

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLandHim View Post
    The fear and listlessness of many of the locals was very evident. Castro was on one of his periodic purges. Don't forget his secret police were trained by the East German Stasi
    who had 1 in 6 of the population giving information on friends, family and neighbours. Very obvious surveillance of us as tourists.

    Contrast that with the cheerfulness and vibrancy of Sri Lankan people who were in the middle of a civil war, the feeling in Cambodia and the full on drive and optimism in Vietnam at the same time. And Vietnam had a communist govt too.

    Cuba has everything going for it, the architecture is stunning, the weather better than Thailand, it is close to huge potential pool of tourists but has the elite in charge who put political dogma before the interests of its citizens.

    Will it ever change?
    In March 2016, Barack Obama became the first U.S. President to visit Cuba since 1928. On December 17, 2014, U.S. President Barack Obama and Cuban President Raśl Castro announced the beginning of a process of normalizing relations between Cuba and the United States.

    Donald Trump began his presidency promising to negotiate a “better deal” from Havana, or else he would “terminate” the opening to Cuba (Heavey S. and S. Marsh, 2016). But he faced an impressive array of stakeholders both at home and abroad determined to resist any backsliding. The result, announced on June 16, 2017, was a policy composed of a few new economic sanctions tightening the embargo cloaked in fiery rhetoric reminiscent of the Cold War, but leaving most of Obama’s initiatives untouched.
    Funny how Trump supporters don't know much about his policies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    In March 2016, Barack Obama became the first U.S. President to visit Cuba since 1928. On December 17, 2014, U.S. President Barack Obama and Cuban President Raśl Castro announced the beginning of a process of normalizing relations between Cuba and the United States.



    Funny how Trump supporters don't know much about his policies...
    So you support Maduro, another nominal communist dictator looting Venezuela exactly the same as Ceaucescu looted Romania?
    Cuba's secret police also trained Maduro's thugs in the same East German Stasi methods.

    Trump imposed/re-imposed sanctions on Cuba to stop Cuba supporting Maduro and his murderous tactics

    How many Venezuelan refugees can you fit in your house? Colombia has a million or so for you to choose from.

    Pretty good policy to me.
    Certainly cheaper than Reagan's invasion of Grenada and no risk of American lives being lost.

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    [QUOTE=MarcTwoSix;410714 I think it has changed from when you were there in 2005, vastly I would think
    [B]Definitely and believe me, it could only be for the good. Mind you everywhere has changed, look at Phuket[/B]

    People are allowed to rent their apartment and rooms out in their houses I believe just in the last 5 years or so

    I don't think any of those great restaurants I went to would have been allowed to be running in 2005
    Unlikely, they were used to feeding Russian advisors then and few tourists except for Varadero and Havana

    So every restaurant would have been govt run
    Yes

    They now have internet wifi in parks and I think are getting it in their homes and phones in just a few months
    I think the phones were all old style and it was accepted that all hotel lines were listened to

    So your assessment in 2005 was probably pretty spot on but I'd be interested to see if you think all those changes have made a difference
    I certainly hope so, the Cuban people deserve so much better than what Castro and Guevera unleashed on them

    There is still a lot of things that are questionable
    The lack of food in a lot of places with what seems so much fertile land. I don't understand that
    Isn't that crazy, did any one explain the monthly food parcel system to every family to you?


    I thought it could only get better, but I thought that about Libya, Syria and all those wonderful African countries
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLandHim View Post
    So you support Maduro, another nominal communist dictator looting Venezuela exactly the same as Ceaucescu looted Romania?
    Cuba's secret police also trained Maduro's thugs in the same East German Stasi methods.

    Trump imposed/re-imposed sanctions on Cuba to stop Cuba supporting Maduro and his murderous tactics

    How many Venezuelan refugees can you fit in your house? Colombia has a million or so for you to choose from.

    Pretty good policy to me.
    Certainly cheaper than Reagan's invasion of Grenada and no risk of American lives being lost.
    Well except for the fact that is not why Trump imposed those sanctions and slight reversal on Americans visiting Cuba in 2017

    He imposed new rules because of Venezuela just recently

    In 2017 it was basically his quest to negate most of what Obama has done

    But getting away from politics in this thread I don't doubt your account in 2005 to be true
    I would assume it was a very different place back then

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    Last random pics of Cuba

    1st 3 pics are all Hemingway places

    Some street food as well
    The ham and cheese was great for a morning treat
    The pizza, all the Cubans eat....was horrible

    Both around 15baht



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    Is that the original Cuban (traditional) fare morphed by Cuban exiles into something like the image below or just an cheap sandwich?

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    ^ its funny..I have had plenty of those "Cubano" grilled sandwiches in Miami where they are like a "state sanctioned" sandwich and also in the latino neighbourhoods of NYC..but I never saw one like that in my time in Havana...or anywhere else in Cuba...
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    BTW..nice pics and observations Paulie....enjoyed the TR..bought back plenty of fond memories

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacwaan View Post
    ^ its funny..I have had plenty of those "Cubano" grilled sandwiches in Miami where they are like a "state sanctioned" sandwich and also in the latino neighbourhoods of NYC..but I never saw one like that in my time in Havana...or anywhere else in Cuba...
    Cuban sandwiches were invented in Miami

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaptainrob View Post


    Is that the original Cuban (traditional) fare morphed by Cuban exiles into something like the image below or just an cheap sandwich?

    I guess could be.............it is quite possible

    The sandwich and shake were great(about 20baht all in)
    The guy works out of a window, you go up and he makes you a mango shake and the sandwich
    You eat and drink right by the window then hand him back your dish and glass 5555

    The pizza windows get long lines
    No wonder the girls in school uniforms are cute( I figured out I could look at the ones in blue(uni) but not the ones in light brown(HS) 5555) but they pork up properly soon after!
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