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    Chobs Approach to Learning Thai

    First qualifier , Im no expert.
    Second, Ive been here 4 years now , and Im ashamed to say Im not fluent , but 'IM NOT FLUENT'.
    Third , I cast around for threads here that taught Thai , and they all want to teach phrases, w
    hich is fine . But most of us learnt in the West our language word by word. Most of us arent litle kids , who hear phrases over and over in the baan.
    We want a word list to study.
    Fourth, if Im reinventing the wheel, show me where , and I'll desist.
    Fifth, if you know it already ignore my humble offerings, or say so. This is an input 'Learn Thai Course'
    Sixth. If you beg to differ , say so. Like I said , Im no expert. Lets discuss this stuff, correct each other , and improve ourselves.
    Seventh, we all shudder or are tickled by dialects.Mark my words , ALL Thais now have to learn Bkk Thai. Unless they are old family members , they know it. They all watch TV.
    Forget dialects here. Learn to speak proper ( Bkk) like! 555
    Eighth, the fact that the Thais have many meanings for the seemingly same spelt word , is usually immaterial. If you speak to them with confidence , and are on the same track, they WILL most times understand that you gave them the right word with a 'bad' tone. And if you increase your vocab , you will have a second way to say things .
    Ninth. DO NOT get caught up with a special way to spell a Thai word in English. Transliterating a Thai word , with a different alphabet to English is ARBITRARY! As long as it sounds like how the Thai word is said , is all that matters.

    So.
    The first words I learnt in Thai , you already know. The greetings. Yes and No. Done.

    Having been an English teacher before, I knew this.
    Every simple sentence has a subject, an action and an object.
    Being as egocentric as we humans are ( particularly as kids ) we usually start , in the beginning with "I". Because 'I' am always the subject! 555
    "I am a boy"
    "I went to the shop"
    "I am strong!"
    Easy. As we are all blokes here , the word for I OR ME is 'Pom'.
    "Pom am a boy"
    "Pom went to the shop"
    "Pom am strong."
    ( In the unlikely event that you are a woman here you would replace 'Pom' with 'Di Chan', but guess what? Thais are regular shorteners (sh) so ladies say , 'Chan' or their names )
    So ;
    "Chan am a girl"
    "Chan went to the shop"
    "Annie is strong"

    GOT IT?

    But of course , the subject isnt always about "I" , even if ya got a super ego.
    The subject can be about others (or things).
    This is where Thai shines. Ya dont have to say , she or her or he or him , or them or they.
    In common conversation you just say , yes Im sorry , you just say , 'kow'.
    Really.
    You just use one word for any other folk!
    "Kow is a boy"
    "Kow pai shop"
    "Kow me rang"
    Got it?

    Teas on , I will return.

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    Thank you Mr Chob 555

    This is going to be a great learning curve for a lot of people. I find learning from an English speaking is a better method as they can write the "romanised" Thai words so that it is easier to pronounce.

    Keep it coming. As you said Phrases would be great to learn but you have to start at the basics, word by word then you learn how to put that into the Phrase. Being around the Language is always a benefit as well. I learn so much more when in LOS then from reading books and online.

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    Isnt that a revelation? ( That took me years to figure out.)
    When casually chatting ( ie MOST of our life) in Thai , you just have to know 'pom' when talking about yourself , and 'kow' when talking about others. ( Unless your a female wherein you call yourself 'chan' [pr 'charn' really] )

    What nobody tells ya is that its really quite simple , or maybe they tell ya that and you blank out and go , "Yeh, right!"
    No tones or any special way to say anything so far. All just how you'd say it in English.
    But its even simpler than this.
    UNLESS you are changing the subject , ya dont even have to say 'Pom' at all.
    They just go;
    "Poo Shai." ( Boy) Pointing is allowed!
    "Pbai ( many will say it should be pbai not a pai ) laarn" ( Go shop)
    "Me rang " ( Have strong/power)....'strong' is technically 'kang rang'.

    THATS HOW SHORT WINDED THEY ARE!

    Now we add another word for things, because just like in English , and unlike French , a thing cant be a man or a lady or a 'kow'.
    A thing is a 'mun' or 'marn'(said quick).
    "Mun is not a boy"
    "Mun pbai laarn" ( It go [into] the shop )
    "Mun me rang!" ( It , eg a bull , have power.)

    Now dont get technical on me here, some of this isnt technical, BUT it is how people say it. They arent a specific or technical people at all, these Thais. A bull as an animal should have 'tua' mentioned , but thats for later.

    So now you have the choice of 3 words for the start of any simple sentence . 'Pom' for me or I , 'kow' for they or them or she or he , and mun for any subject that isnt a human.
    A lot simpler than English , hey?
    Last edited by Chob; 1st June 2012 at 19:23.

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    Start chanting , as I watch a 2 and a half year old do lately.
    "Pom is me , Kow is them, mun is it!"

    I know you arent 2 year olds, but your Thai probably is , so Im serious! .
    Chant it in yer heads.
    Sing it in the shower. Make yer gf or bf laugh.
    THREE words and most sentences are covered!
    Easy fcukin peasy . ( Pardon my Flench 555)
    Common Thai conversation starter.


    Now before I move on its time to Expand on this.
    Just remember that this part is for those that want to be 'better' at what they sapeak.
    So its optional.
    I always found that a small piece of paper/cardboard , 'top pocket size' with your wordlist ( no more than 6 words) is invaluable to constant study...
    Bored? Pull out ya wordlist.
    Smoko? Same same.
    Constant glancing , and mental self testing works!

    These are the proper words for your 'subject' sentence starter. Put them on your learning card and know them!

    'Kow' : he or him
    'Pua kow' ( usually shortened, as above to 'kow': they or them)
    'Ter': she or her ( and only appreciated when differentiating between male and female matters) but I use it a lot , as we generally mix more with tgs.
    'Mun': It
    'Pom'
    'Chan'

    So now Im talking about a girl.
    "Ter is not a boy"
    "Ter bpai laarn"
    "Ter me rang"
    If Im talking about them or a boy/man its 'kow' of course , as written well up above.

    Study that. Go around town looking at people and things and calling them kow, pua kow, ter , or mun in your head.
    No matter where ya from , you are now a POM! 555

    Questions/ continuations soon nah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G4orce View Post
    Thank you Mr Chob 555

    This is going to be a great learning curve for a lot of people. I find learning from an English speaking is a better method as they can write the "romanised" Thai words so that it is easier to pronounce.

    Keep it coming. As you said Phrases would be great to learn but you have to start at the basics, word by word then you learn how to put that into the Phrase. Being around the Language is always a benefit as well. I learn so much more when in LOS then from reading books and online.
    Cheers mate.
    So many lessons , and then you start realizing it aint rocket science.

    What in Thailand is? 555

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    Cheers mate.
    So many lessons , and then you start realizing it aint rocket science.

    What in Thailand is? 555
    I have definatly seen that it is not soo hard to learn. But like anything it does take time and persistance. I feel for all these TG's that want to learn English, It is such a complex language to learn.

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    So I have only G4 reading this? Or are you all good students sitting quietly with your pens out and ready and waiting? 555

    So there are 3 most common words for starting a sentence. 'They , he , she '= kow , 'Me or I'= Pom and 'It' =Mun.
    "What happened to 'you' you may ask "
    ( "Well I was just born like this", I may answer ...555)

    Yes Thais have a word for 'you' , and it is 'Khun' .
    Khun is also the title for people , like Mr and Mrs in English , but it doesnt differentiate the sexes. It is as if the Thai speaker was always referring to 'you' as Mr/Mrs.
    It is hardly used in everyday conversation , because much of Thai is just assumed .
    So they dont say , "Khun pbai nai?" ( YOU go where? ) , they say "Pbai nai?" ( Go where?). They dont say , "Khun Sabadaee mai?" ( You fine, no?) , they say , "Sabadee mai? ( Fine , no?).
    They are talking to you , and its obvious to Thais at least , that they dont need to say , 'you' to you.

    They use 'Khun' in small talk when referring politely to other people.
    You should always address someone you dont know well , or is older, as Khun ...... Its polite.
    While on the subject of 'other people' it is useful to mention that closer people are , if older , referred to as Pee. ( Pee Peter, Pee Ying etc)
    Technically , younger people should be referred to as Nong as well, but unless its a small child , not just simply a younger person, they dont bother adding it.
    'Nong' is your word if you are calling or speaking to a waitress, waiter , service person of any sort , or a kid , even your own kid.

    Some examples.
    "I am going to Khun Peters house." ( Pbai baan Khun Peter =Go house Mr Peter)
    "Sawadee kup , Khun Ying."
    "Khun ( pointing out one of many people ) tam arai, kup?" ( You do what?)
    "Sawadee kup Pee Somchai." ( Greeting an old Thai man you may know slightly.)
    "Nong. Ow menoo kup!" ( Waiter. [I'll] Take menu kup.)
    "Nong , maa laeow !" ( Baby come already = baby come here now)

    So now weve covered pretty much all the possible 'subject' areas of conversational Thai. The sentence starters really.
    You may ask what if we are talking about a car ( rot ) or a house ( baan) or a chook ( Gai )?
    Well 'mun' ( it) and pointing at it will do.
    The proper names ( nouns ) of things we will cover under the area of 'objects' in a sentence later. That is where the sky is the limit when naming things and your vocab will rush ahead as quick as you can learn the names of things.

    "Schools Out! I will be testing you all on Monday morning ...." 555

    PS Is this all making sense?
    Last edited by Chob; 1st June 2012 at 21:45.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    So I have only G4 reading this?
    Nora is present sir. Just sitting at the back of the class taking it in

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    I find it very amusing and great thanks sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    So I have only G4 reading this?
    Cilla's here Sir. I have a late note for class

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    Good students!
    Now wheres my apple? ( Number 1 will do ...)

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    I'm still trying to learn English Sir Chob...
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    Pom mai chob appen

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    Mai Chob Appen? Tam mai ? ( Why? ) Pom chob chang loi! ( I like a REAL lot !)

    Good Thai Khun Bunga! Geng geng. ( You're good at that!)


    But I'll have you know shes a great girl....555
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    How does you granddaughter say Australia.....horstralia?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chob View Post
    But I'll have you know shes a great girl....555
    Pom mai chob Steve Jobs Appen

    Pom chob chang loi YOUR Appen

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    Why 'chang loi' not 'mak'?

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    difference between chai and dai ????
    what context to use dai, mai chai or mai dai ???

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    Sir Chob,
    I have read it twice already. Did not want to speak unless spoken to.....

    I failed English in my HSC had a sh1t teacher for 2 yrs, shame I didn't have you.

    This is a great way of learning, dealing with the important common day things and not too overbearing.

    Maybe a side income for you if your invesment's drop, teaching new expat's.

    And thanks for taking the time to do all this.
    "Of course you love me darling, I handsome man 55555"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norabunga View Post
    Why 'chang loi' not 'mak'?
    Its sorta the top of the scale in common speech ,

    mark .... mark mark ..... chang loi. ( They really draw out the loi.)

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