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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Forbes View Post
    If I am abusing the law it's only when I ride my motorbike like the Thais do, but that has nothing to do with the tourist visa. And, that is exactly what I have... a 6 month, multiple entry TOURIST VISA as set out by the government of Thailand. I don't abuse that in any way and I follow all the rules and requirements.

    Tourists to Thailand have 3 choices

    1. A 30 day visa and then you have to leave the country
    2. A 90 day TOURIST visa, and then you have to leave the country.
    3. A 6 month, multiple entry TOURIST visa, and you have to leave the country every 60 days. There is also a stipulation that you have 60,000 baht available each month.

    Those are different than a retirement visa that require a substantial amount of money in a Thai bank account. I think it is about 800,000 baht.

    Then there is the marriage visa, but I don't have a clue what the requirements are for that. probably similar to the retirement visa.
    I understand that its not something that you wish to hear or acknowledge.

    But you are missing the point, by using the visa the way you do, that means you are not a tourist and therefore breaking regulation 34 of the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522.

    You may meet the requirement to apply and hold that visa like many do, but you are not meeting the requirements of regulation 34 to validly hold that visa which is you must be a tourist.
    A tourist doesn't normally have local bank accounts or Thai licences in a country they are visiting as a tourist and they donít stay for 5-6 months every year.

    Much like Canada, if a tourist tried to enter Canada for 5-6 months stay every year and held a local licence and had a local bank account they would quickly be refused entry if found out for not being a tourist.

    The METV visa you apply for is intended to be used for people wishing to go to Thailand as a tourist for a period not exceeding 60 days, then travel to a neighbouring ASEAN country and return back to Thailand for a bit and the travel outside Thailand again, effectively using Thailand as a base to travel around South East Asian as a tourist.

    Look I donít care what you do or what you wish to believe with your visa compliance, all I am doing to informing you that you arenít complying with your visa requirements and if you get caught their maybe consequences.

    If and when that happens please feel free to say fuck it Chilli told me this and I didnít listen.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilli View Post
    If and when that happens please feel free to say fuck it Chilli told me this and I didnít listen

    We value you're input Chilli and Ian would be the 1st person to listen to what you have to say, as you are aware there are alot of grey areas as to which visa is applicable for each individual, you have given us all some great advice to think about, Visa issues are constantly changing as you would be aware
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    Quote Originally Posted by justcruzing1 View Post
    Now I am no visa specialist, so won't bother to look up the act you have quoted, but I do disagree with you definition and accusation Ian isn't a tourist and as such entitled to the visa he holds.

    The fact of the matter is Thailand is not his principal place of residence, so visiting a country any number of times means, as long as he doesn't work, he is a visitor/tourist.
    You may think that's how it is, but that's not how its view by immigration in just about every country.

    But as you see it differently how would you describe the difference between a Temporary residence without work rights and Tourist? and how would Ian fit in to this.

    Quote Originally Posted by justcruzing1 View Post
    Having a bank account and drivers license is totally incidental. anyone can establish them, as have many BM's here.
    While you right it alone doesn't prove anything combined with his travel history a reasonable person would believe that he is a temporary resident more than a tourist.

    It not the normal thing a tourist does.

    Quote Originally Posted by justcruzing1 View Post
    The Seniero that Thai doesn't want is for him to come for 3 months then go spend the other 2-3 months in Cambodia.
    That's wrong, that was the purpose of setting up the visa he uses Press Releases : Thailand launches the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV) scheme - Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Thailand

    Press Releases : Thailand launches the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV) scheme
    Thailand is launching the ďMultiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV)Ē scheme. This new type of visa is an addition to the already existing 60 days tourist visa, and will be effective from 13 November 2015 onwards.

    The METV is applicable to tourists of all nationalities wishing to travel to the Kingdom. Applicants can apply for the METV at all Royal Thai Embassies, Consulates-General and Honorary Consulates worldwide. The application fee is 5,000 THB with a visa validity of 6 months and the duration of stay of up to 60 days per visit.

    The METV scheme aims to boost Thailandís tourism industry and Thailandís readiness for the ASEAN Community at the end of this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by justcruzing1 View Post
    Although Ian doesn't stay in high end hotels or eat at expensive restaurants he keeps small business in business accepting lower standard of accommodation etc.

    If he and the other 500,000?? doing this were to go to Cambodia instead it will impact the Thai mum and pop businesses and they are the backbone of the country.
    This is a matter for the Thai government to decide and it seems from the direction they are heading that they don't want these people to visit Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo Uaon View Post
    O visa not OA...there is a 3 month one available,or use to be that can be extended as well as a 12 month one.

    You don't have to be married to a TG or have a Thai kid to get an OA or in country retirement extension.
    Not sure if that was about my post or not, but there are two different visas an "O" and "O-A"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivo View Post
    We value you're input Chilli and Ian would be the 1st person to listen to what you have to say, as you are aware there are alot of grey areas as to which visa is applicable for each individual, you have given us all some great advice to think about, Visa issues are constantly changing as you would be aware
    Thanks, I don't care what people do in regards to visas, I am just putting the information out there for people to consider as its a complex area to understand.
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    I don't see the issue with abusing the system or using loopholes to stay longer. That's virtually 90% of the expats I know. Whether it's using language classes or whatever trick they can come up with they end up staying. If we're just stuck on semantics here then let's just change the language and call him a frequent entry tourist or whatever. He might be using a loophole but technically not commiting any crimes. Nothing the Thai government gives enough of a shit about anyway. And I'm not sure why they'd want to.

    I think his presence there does contribute. What he thinks of the government is neither here nor there, so not sure what M26 was getting worked up about. People can have whatever opinions they want. That doesn't affect shit, but his money sure does in its own way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    I don't see the issue with abusing the system or using loopholes to stay longer. That's virtually 90% of the expats I know. Whether it's using language classes or whatever trick they can come up with they end up staying. If we're just stuck on semantics here then let's just change the language and call him a frequent entry tourist or whatever. He might be using a loophole but technically not commiting any crimes. Nothing the Thai government gives enough of a shit about anyway. And I'm not sure why they'd want to.

    I think his presence there does contribute. What he thinks of the government is neither here nor there, so not sure what M26 was getting worked up about. People can have whatever opinions they want. That doesn't affect shit, but his money sure does in its own way.
    My whole point, which I said many times........is that he is on a visa that is in the margins, instead of moaning about things, he should be a bit more grateful he is allowed that visa

    And sorry, spending 14k in 6 months is close to the bottom of attractiveness, so again he should be a bit more grateful

    As I said before...........I don't care how little or how much anyone spends, as long as they aren't a drain on their host country
    I honestly think it's great there are affordable places for people to spend their time in, especially if they are on a budget


    And I never made this comparison, others did..........but people are delusional if they think Thailand would prefer someone spending a but over 50k/mo and using all their subsidized services(roads, etc) vs the tourist that spend 5-6k in a week/2 week and doesn't use any of the services
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilli View Post
    I understand that its not something that you wish to hear or acknowledge.

    But you are missing the point, by using the visa the way you do, that means you are not a tourist and therefore breaking regulation 34 of the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522.

    You may meet the requirement to apply and hold that visa like many do, but you are not meeting the requirements of regulation 34 to validly hold that visa which is you must be a tourist.
    A tourist doesn't normally have local bank accounts or Thai licences in a country they are visiting as a tourist and they don’t stay for 5-6 months every year.

    Much like Canada, if a tourist tried to enter Canada for 5-6 months stay every year and held a local licence and had a local bank account they would quickly be refused entry if found out for not being a tourist.

    The METV visa you apply for is intended to be used for people wishing to go to Thailand as a tourist for a period not exceeding 60 days, then travel to a neighbouring ASEAN country and return back to Thailand for a bit and the travel outside Thailand again, effectively using Thailand as a base to travel around South East Asian as a tourist.

    Look I don’t care what you do or what you wish to believe with your visa compliance, all I am doing to informing you that you aren’t complying with your visa requirements and if you get caught their maybe consequences.

    If and when that happens please feel free to say fuck it Chilli told me this and I didn’t listen.




    What I don't get is how you conclude Ian is not a tourist?

    In 1941, Hunziker and Kraft defined tourism as "the sum of the phenomena and relationships arising from the travel and stay of non-residents, insofar as they do not lead to permanent residence and are not connected with any earning activity."[18][19] In 1976, the Tourism Society of England's definition was: "Tourism is the temporary, short-term movement of people to destinations outside the places where they normally live and work and their activities during the stay at each destination. It includes movements for all purposes."[20] In 1981, the International Association of Scientific Experts in Tourism defined tourism in terms of particular activities chosen and undertaken outside the home.[21]
    I would argue that he is not a resident.. He does not own or rent a house, has no work while in Thailand, no family an depends on his Canadian income while there..
    How could that qualify as being a resident?

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    I think this is just a discussion of semantics, and no Thai authorities are going to chase people like me away.

    However, if Thailand were to say don't return to Thailand Ian because you are not the type of tourist we want, then I would say okay and never return. But, I'm an old fucker that you don't want to piss off. I would then also start spending my money on telling everyone what a terrible country it is and how terrible they treat the citizens and tourists. I would tell lies and half truths in an advertising campaign to besmirch the entire country.

    There are lots of neighboring countries to visit that have opportunities similar to Thailand. Three of my Canadian friends have already given up on Thailand and moved to Vietnam instead. Thailand understands that and it is precisely why they upgraded to the multi-entry 6 month visa. It makes it convenient for the transient "snowbirds" like myself. Most warm countries have similar systems. I know Mexico does and so do some of the Central and South American countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Forbes View Post
    I think this is just a discussion of semantics, and no Thai authorities are going to chase people like me away.

    However, if Thailand were to say don't return to Thailand Ian because you are not the type of tourist we want, then I would say okay and never return. But, I'm an old fucker that you don't want to piss off. I would then also start spending my money on telling everyone what a terrible country it is and how terrible they treat the citizens and tourists. I would tell lies and half truths in an advertising campaign to besmirch the entire country.

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    But what a shitty attitude/outlook to have
    Living in a foreign is a privilege provided you
    if the Govt decides they no longer want to provide, why would you smear them? It's their right

    I think it will change at some point, but don't think you need to worry and you are abiding by the visa granted you, that's all that matters


    And actually quite a few Latin American countries are very accommodating
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    But what a shitty attitude/outlook to have
    Living in a foreign is a privilege provided you
    if the Govt decides they no longer want to provide, why would you smear them? It's their right

    I think it will change at some point, but don't think you need to worry and you are abiding by the visa granted you, that's all that matters

    No, it's not a shitty attitude to have. If someone who was once your friend screws you then they have to expect some retaliation. I have always been on the side of Thailand, and have always promoted it as a good destination that fits all budgets and attitudes. For the most part, Thai people are lovely and hospitable. I can always point out the negatives in any system, including the British parliamentary system of which Canada, Australia and New Zealand fall under. No country is perfect because we are all run by imperfect people with their own beliefs and prejudices.

    I've more than paid my own way in Thailand and followed most of the rules and laws. Any I've broken would not have harmed anyone but myself. As I've said before, If I were to ride my motorbike in Canada like I do in Thailand I would probably receive tickets from the RCMP.

    But again, we are just talking semantics here. No way are Thai authorities ever going to throw me, and other legitimate tourists like me out of Thailand... unless there is some political war and the whole country goes into turmoil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Forbes View Post
    No, it's not a shitty attitude to have. If someone who was once your friend screws you then they have to expect some retaliation. I have always been on the side of Thailand, and have always promoted it as a good destination that fits all budgets and attitudes. For the most part, Thai people are lovely and hospitable. I can always point out the negatives in any system, including the British parliamentary system of which Canada, Australia and New Zealand fall under. No country is perfect because we are all run by imperfect people with their own beliefs and prejudices.

    I've more than paid my own way in Thailand and followed most of the rules and laws. Any I've broken would not have harmed anyone but myself. As I've said before, If I were to ride my motorbike in Canada like I do in Thailand I would probably receive tickets from the RCMP.

    But again, we are just talking semantics here. No way are Thai authorities ever going to throw me, and other legitimate tourists like me out of Thailand... unless there is some political war and the whole country goes into turmoil.
    But Thailand wouldn't be screwing you, they would be changing their laws how they see fit and for their best interests
    You seem to think you are doing Thailand a favor by spending time there.........when it is Thailand doing you the favor to allow you to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilli View Post
    Not sure if that was about my post or not, but there are two different visas an "O" and "O-A"
    Yes,there is O and OA....that was my point...posted on the run with my phone and missed the quote bit.
    O would be the one for living there part time. OA is for retirement with 12 month extensions.
    Some places,not sure if all,you can get a 90 day O visa and extend it by 60 days in Thailand without a border run.
    As Bacon says there's a heap of people abusing the visa system there. it's open slather....i'll put my hand up. I was 47 when i moved there and using TV's and 30 day stamps for my first 2 years. Frequently leaving and travelling SE Asia until i got sick of it and got a multi entry O visa that was later converted to an in country Retirement Extension.
    It is however up to the issuing office to police and anyone that continually abuses a TV is well known to them and it's at their discretion as to whether they let them do it or not in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    My whole point, which I said many times........is that he is on a visa that is in the margins, instead of moaning about things, he should be a bit more grateful he is allowed that visa

    And sorry, spending 14k in 6 months is close to the bottom of attractiveness, so again he should be a bit more grateful
    Compared to 70+ billion a year in tourism money what you have brought in all these years is marginal too. I understand higher spending tourists are more preferable, but he's not costing the system, so whatever he brings in is a bonus. Putting a figure on it is just silly. And on the contrary, it's the Thais that should be grateful that people like this keep coming to their country, cause with their work ethics they're sure as shit not going to sustain their economy themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    I don't see the issue with abusing the system or using loopholes to stay longer. That's virtually 90% of the expats I know. Whether it's using language classes or whatever trick they can come up with they end up staying. If we're just stuck on semantics here then let's just change the language and call him a frequent entry tourist or whatever. He might be using a loophole but technically not commiting any crimes. Nothing the Thai government gives enough of a shit about anyway. And I'm not sure why they'd want to.

    I think his presence there does contribute. What he thinks of the government is neither here nor there, so not sure what M26 was getting worked up about. People can have whatever opinions they want. That doesn't affect shit, but his money sure does in its own way.
    As I said at the beginning, it's not an issue the Thai government has any real interest in putting resources towards at the moment, but that's at the moment. Doesn't mean that can't change in an instant or that if you get a government official of side or on a bad that Ian could find himself in IDC or refused entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    What I don't get is how you conclude Ian is not a tourist?



    I would argue that he is not a resident.. He does not own or rent a house, has no work while in Thailand, no family an depends on his Canadian income while there..
    How could that qualify as being a resident?
    He isn't a non-resident, he is a temporary resident. He also isn't staying for a short period of time, he is staying for 5-6 months every year.

    No countries immigration that I know off would would class him as a tourist based on his repeated periods of stay and holding bank accounts and drivers licence etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Forbes View Post
    I think this is just a discussion of semantics, and no Thai authorities are going to chase people like me away.

    However, if Thailand were to say don't return to Thailand Ian because you are not the type of tourist we want, then I would say okay and never return. But, I'm an old fucker that you don't want to piss off. I would then also start spending my money on telling everyone what a terrible country it is and how terrible they treat the citizens and tourists. I would tell lies and half truths in an advertising campaign to besmirch the entire country.

    There are lots of neighboring countries to visit that have opportunities similar to Thailand. Three of my Canadian friends have already given up on Thailand and moved to Vietnam instead. Thailand understands that and it is precisely why they upgraded to the multi-entry 6 month visa. It makes it convenient for the transient "snowbirds" like myself. Most warm countries have similar systems. I know Mexico does and so do some of the Central and South American countries.
    Why don't you just apply for the correct visa? it's only $50CAD more, you seem to qualify for it! Plus you don't need to do border runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo Uaon View Post
    Yes,there is O and OA....that was my point...posted on the run with my phone and missed the quote bit.
    O would be the one for living there part time. OA is for retirement with 12 month extensions.
    Some places,not sure if all,you can get a 90 day O visa and extend it by 60 days in Thailand without a border run.
    As Bacon says there's a heap of people abusing the visa system there. it's open slather....i'll put my hand up. I was 47 when i moved there and using TV's and 30 day stamps for my first 2 years. Frequently leaving and travelling SE Asia until i got sick of it and got a multi entry O visa that was later converted to an in country Retirement Extension.
    It is however up to the issuing office to police and anyone that continually abuses a TV is well known to them and it's at their discretion as to whether they let them do it or not in the end.
    Cool, completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    Compared to 70+ billion a year in tourism money what you have brought in all these years is marginal too. I understand higher spending tourists are more preferable, but he's not costing the system, so whatever he brings in is a bonus. Putting a figure on it is just silly. And on the contrary, it's the Thais that should be grateful that people like this keep coming to their country, cause with their work ethics they're sure as shit not going to sustain their economy themselves.
    Everything has a cost, I think you're not thinking big picture enough in regards to cost.

    It's up to the Thai government to decide if the cost is worth it or not or if they can get better value for their cost from other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilli View Post
    As I said at the beginning, it's not an issue the Thai government has any real interest in putting resources towards at the moment, but that's at the moment. Doesn't mean that can't change in an instant or that if you get a government official of side or on a bad that Ian could find himself in IDC or refused entry.
    The only thing that could possibly happen is an in country decision to cut back on regular sex tourists that show up at out of country offices regularly wanting multi entry TV's otherwise i couldn't see them clamping down on the practice....but you never know.
    Again it would be up to the issuing office's discretion to police it....probably insisting that an O visa is applied for instead.
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