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Thread: Speed boats and safety gear....Or lack of there after

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    Speed boats and safety gear....Or lack of there after

    MARK COLVIN: An Australian man says he put two lifejackets on his two-year-old daughter but still struggled to keep her afloat when their tourist boat sank off Thailand yesterday.

    The speedboat hit heavy seas on its way from the resort island of Koh Phi Phi to Phuket.

    Tourists from Australian, New Zealand, Turkey and China were all thrown into the water.

    Hakan Ergun from Sydney, his wife and their two young daughters, aged 8 and 2 were among them.

    The accident follows a string of recent safety incidents involving tourists around Phuket.

    After all the tourists were rescued, Hakan Ergun told Zoe Daniel that his family was now stranded on Koh Phi Phi because all the ferries leaving the island are full.

    HAKAN ERGUN: The weather was pretty bad. It was raining and basically about 40 minutes to an hour the waves got really big and then we started taking in water, a lot of water.

    Apparently the side of the boat got damaged and it got in a lot more water in. Basically the crew were lost as well. They didn't know what they were doing pretty much. We had our lifejackets but, you know, we couldn't really trust them either I guess.

    So I got my daughter, the two-year-old, Sena, two lifejackets and Beyza, who is eight-years-old, got two lifejackets for them.

    But the lifejackets basically we couldn't even buckle them up, that's how bad the conditions were.

    Anyway, as the boat was sinking we started to push out from the back end and as we were trying to get out on the back the water started coming in a lot more and it sort of sucked myself and my two-year-old under and somehow, I don't know how I did it but I kicked my way out.

    Yeah and thenů (crying) sorry.

    ZOE DANIEL: That's okay. It sounds like a horrifying experience.

    HAKAN ERGUN: Yes, we managed to get out of the water. We did go under for a couple of seconds and then I just kicked my way out of the water.

    And then we were just out in the sea and we just found a barrel that was floating so we jumped on that with another two girls from Turkey.

    Yeah so we just waited on the water for about 10 or 15 minutes and then there was a smaller boat that came around. Pretty much they were just circling us. I don't think they were going to get us in until I said there's a baby.

    ZOE DANIEL: And they picked you up?

    HAKAN ERGUN: Yeah they picked us up, thank God. We got my family on and yeah, so basically I got my wife and my eight-year-old, I pushed them on to the boat and then I got my, the youngest one, pushed her onto the boat and then I got on last.

    ZOE DANIEL: And when you were taken away from the scene by this small boat were there still other people in the water?

    HAKAN ERGUN: There was in total 37 people, passengers on the boat. There was a few, six or seven other Aussies on there, like in total there was about six or seven Aussies with us, and basically only 13 got onto that small boat and the rest of the people were stranded.

    Apparently they were out at sea for about an hour, hour-and-a-half, two hours until the rescue came and got them because they didn't know the location. They had no GPS, no two-way radio or nothing on the boat.

    ZOE DANIEL: And as I understand it, when they were eventually picked up they were taken to Phuket.

    HAKAN ERGUN: Correct.

    ZOE DANIEL: You were taken back to Koh Phi Phi and now you're stuck there. Is that right?

    HAKAN ERGUN: We are stuck. This morning they told us we can get on the ferry. We got in line and basically they didn't let us on. And then there was another smaller ferry that came around which was about 10 or 15 minutes ago and they said they were full as well and they pushed us off.

    They said we can't get you guys on. We're pretty much stranded. We don't have any money. All our, everything's gone pretty much, our bags, our clothes, everything's gone.

    ZOE DANIEL: So what have you been told about what will happen next?

    HAKAN ERGUN: Well we're waiting for the 2.30 ferry to come around and that's not guaranteed, I guess, that they're going to let us on either.

    MARK COLVIN: Hakan Ergun speaking to Zoe Daniel about his extremely unpleasant experience near Phuket.
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    ^^This was very lucky for all concerned but a reminder to all that you need to know a little about where you are going and the local stds or lack of them.
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    I have been out on fishing boats from Phuket, Koh Samui and Koh Chang, and not had any concerns. All of the crew seemed to be very switched on and attune to the weather and conditions. Koh Chang could have been very scary, but the skipper saw the weather change coming and put us in a safe position.

    However, the speed boat drivers seem to be completely different. They only know one speed (flat out) regardless of conditions.
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    The Phi Phi speed-boats are dangerous even on a good day, and the Andaman is normally good for ~360 days a year! As Nomad says, the 'boy-skippers' know only one speed and have little or no formal training. The boats are poorly maintained from a structural POV and safety gear is old and ill-suited to many passengers, eg: children under 10 y/o.

    In my years with VMR (Marine Rescue), I saw many similar instances of craft breaking up in heavy seas due to improper handling. Not the weather's fault, often not at high speed either, just inexperience at basic seamanship. Add 30+ screaming, vomiting, passengers into the mix and ... you end up with a scenario as above.

    Take the slow boat to Phi Phi ... note location and condition of lifejackets and Carley floats (orange rafts), and if the weather looks bad, have a look at how rafts are restrained. I've seen many without automatic (hydrostatic) release mechanisms.

    When was the last time anyone saw a safety demonstration on Phi Phi transport?
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    Reason I never go on boats or on scooters in LOS.... call me paranoid...
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    DP, took me ages to get Jo on the back of my scooter as she'd had a bad accident in her teens (not that long ago 555).

    One year on and we scoot around locally all the time ok. You've got to be 100% aware of surroundings the whole time. Unlike a car, one second of inattention and you could be mincemeat!

    Boats are far safer if you heed my tips above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    Reason I never go on boats or on scooters in LOS.... call me paranoid...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaptainrob View Post
    DP, took me ages to get Jo on the back of my scooter as she'd had a bad accident in her teens (not that long ago 555).

    One year on and we scoot around locally all the time ok. You've got to be 100% aware of surroundings the whole time. Unlike a car, one second of inattention and you could be mincemeat!

    Boats are far safer if you heed my tips above.
    Hey... I am scared of planes too.... 555

    I get worried near the sea anywhere in the world. So no chance I'd get on a boat in LOS. I used to ride a motorbike a lot... every day in fact. But not now... never had an accident. But seen too many accidents, so stick to cars... and even then I never feel safe.

    I am also a hypochondriac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    ~I am also a hypochondriac.
    Paranoid, hypochondriac, aerophobic .... DoktorRob prescribes a trip to LOS asap ... for everything else, take 2 Aspirin. Funny thing about phobias .... you're more likely to die from the stress of WORRY than any actual bad event.

    I had a bad accident on a Norton Dominator, way back before recorded time, and never RODE again until LOS. 115cc scooting around locally is ok, I won't be doing any Isaan/BKK trips like some have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaptainrob View Post
    Paranoid, hypochondriac, aerophobic .... DoktorRob prescribes a trip to LOS asap ... for everything else, take 2 Aspirin. Funny thing about phobias .... you're more likely to die from the stress of WORRY than any actual bad event.

    I had a bad accident on a Norton Dominator, way back before recorded time, and never RODE again until LOS. 115cc scooting around locally is ok, I won't be doing any Isaan/BKK trips like some have.
    I know stress will be the death of me... I do worry about worrying... 555

    I've got to the point that I can give myself cardiac arrhythmia... just by closing my eyes and thinking about cardiac arrhythmias...

    I used to cycle a lot as well. Now I won't go near a push-bike...
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    Life is Dangerous DP, there is a risk involved with everything....................


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    Hey DP have you had a number of near misses or a very big one, or a combination of both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spot View Post
    Hey DP have you had a number of near misses or a very big one, or a combination of both?

    Cheers China
    I have had near misses and been in bad accidents as a kid... was nearly killed when hit by a car... was touch and go for a while... and also had a number of bike accidents growing up with so many hospital visits my dad refused to take me to hospital any more.... then I lost a friend who was killed on a motorbike... so I started being risk averse I guess....

    I am the same with my health. I am constantly taking my own BP readings, checking HR etc. I don't know why I have become like this... the older I get the worse I am. Motivates me to run a lot I guess... I just want to stay healthy as I know how fragile our health is...

    And now my laptop is smoking... 555
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    I have had near misses and been in bad accidents as a kid... was nearly killed when hit by a car... was touch and go for a while... and also had a number of bike accidents growing up with so many hospital visits my dad refused to take me to hospital any more.... then I lost a friend who was killed on a motorbike... so I started being risk averse I guess....

    I am the same with my health. I am constantly taking my own BP readings, checking HR etc. I don't know why I have become like this... the older I get the worse I am. Motivates me to run a lot I guess... I just want to stay healthy as I know how fragile our health is...

    And now my laptop is smoking... 555
    Mate see you in "The midnight Hour" Or wherever you are comfortable....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    ~ And now my laptop is smoking... 555
    No bloody wonder ... 5,648 posts, 99% of which are all hot babes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spot View Post
    Mate see you in "The midnight Hour" Or wherever you are comfortable....

    Have you read midnight hour? There is nothing wrong with you, you are human like the rest of us and you will learn things, but dont do it the hard way matey...

    Cheers China

    Thanks Spot. Don't worry, I am fine. Just a little risk-averse when it comes to safety and health... apart from that, all is well with me. I have absolutely nothing to complain about in my life at present. Except for sore muscles from running... now, where have those steroids gone... 555. But thanks for the invite. I do look in upon the Midnight Hour now and then. It's a good little thread. Keep it going... you never know when I might chime in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    Thanks Spot. Don't worry, I am fine. Just a little risk-averse when it comes to safety and health... apart from that, all is well with me. I have absolutely nothing to complain about in my life at present. Except for sore muscles from running... now, where have those steroids gone... 555. But thanks for the invite. I do look in upon the Midnight Hour now and then. It's a good little thread. Keep it going... you never know when I might chime in.
    Good to hear China
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    DP I think we all start to re asess risk when we get older.
    I don't think it is to do with how many times we got hurt as a kid or how close we came to big or little trouble, mind you your car accident, being hit, would have had a big effect.

    My sister was hit big time, and we all watched as she rolled up and over the bonnet, windscreen and roof before falling to the ground and her head landed in the high spot of the gutter in a place where it had been broken by something else. She would have split her head in two if she was 2ins either side, so someone was looking over her (we were coming out of church back to the car). She lost her spleen and was in hospital touch and go for a couple of weeks.

    I think with age comes experience, and the ability to evaluate risk better. Also the loss of boyish testosterone helps keep things in perspective.

    Also, you see over time, friends or people you knew off, getting killed or dieing from different things, then your next level of age above you seem to be dropping like flies. All this makes us think about survival, self preservation.

    I have lost all my family above me in age (Sorry still got an aunt and uncle) have my 2 younger sisters.

    I have had a lot of close calls in my life, some documented in my life story here and other posts i contributed to.
    I have lived longer than my father by 18yrs, my grandfather by 7yrs. With my conditions, I think about my mortality regularly.

    You have to have the balance that keeps you happy/comfortable.

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    Attending church may be harmful to your health, JC.

    Fact is, you can be fit as a fiddle yet have a stroke or heart attack at any time.

    Perhaps I'll have an AirAsia A320 drop on top of me whilst weeding the garden? Who knows .... live every day as if its your last one... enjoy life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by justcruzing1 View Post
    DP I think we all start to re asess risk when we get older.
    I don't think it is to do with how many times we got hurt as a kid or how close we came to big or little trouble, mind you your car accident, being hit, would have had a big effect.

    My sister was hit big time, and we all watched as she rolled up and over the bonnet, windscreen and roof before falling to the ground and her head landed in the high spot of the gutter in a place where it had been broken by something else. She would have split her head in two if she was 2ins either side, so someone was looking over her (we were coming out of church back to the car). She lost her spleen and was in hospital touch and go for a couple of weeks.

    I think with age comes experience, and the ability to evaluate risk better. Also the loss of boyish testosterone helps keep things in perspective.

    Also, you see over time, friends or people you knew off, getting killed or dieing from different things, then your next level of age above you seem to be dropping like flies. All this makes us think about survival, self preservation.

    I have lost all my family above me in age (Sorry still got an aunt and uncle) have my 2 younger sisters.

    I have had a lot of close calls in my life, some documented in my life story here and other posts i contributed to.
    I have lived longer than my father by 18yrs, my grandfather by 7yrs. With my conditions, I think about my mortality regularly.

    You have to have the balance that keeps you happy/comfortable.

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