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    Interesting reports Hatari ,
    Hell we have nothing like that back here in terms of bonus etc.

    Tell me, does your wife and others have to pay tax out of their wage and bonus??
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    You always make interesting threads, always a good read.

    We are having this discussion over on AI that Thailand is becoming an expensive country for locals with local salaries

    My wife just got back to Canada after 6 weeks and she said she thinks it is "cheaper" for her to live in Canada with the wages here vs prices than Thailand and the wages there vs prices

    She is only talking everyday consumption
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    Tax - these rates for 2014, don't think they've changed

    0-150,000 Exempt
    more than 150,000 but less than 300,000 5%
    more than 300,000 but less than 500,000 10%
    more than 500,000 but less than 750,000 15%
    more than 750,000 but less than 1,000,000 20%
    more than 1,000,000 but less than 2,000,000 25%
    more than 2,000,000 but less than 4,000,000 30%
    Over 4,000,000 35%

    wouldn't guess at numbers, but 'many' pay no tax at all - anyone on under 12,500 per month, which would be quite a percentage I'd say

    And there are many ways around moving into a higher bracket; can only speak from what MsH has said, they'll have staff on a salary and their next salary rise may not be salary at all, but something like 'company paid house rent, fuel allowance, etc' keeps the taxable gross down but still rewards the employee.

    The company she works for, as well as the annual bonus, has overseas trips for staff who've been there a few years, 2013 Macau/Hong Kong, 2014 South Korea. Good for team/company spirit, this would involve management, engineers through to eg a truck driver/crane operator, as a family-owned company they're big on the family ethic, many of the road labour workforce live on-site along with their families.

    I mentioned in earlier post 1. MsH's promised salary increase, well yes she got that in first pay of 2015 on Wednesday this week, and 2 about her brother in Japan; well he got back home last weekend, big family turnout at Suvarnabhumi to welcome him back, saw pics he was very emotional, missed his wife and two under-fives (though could Skype almost every day) 7mths along time away from family. Even grandma was there (took her own flight, broomstick). But big pay-off for him career-wise; was housed/fed there so barely touched salary, gets his bonus, plus moves into a team leader role so a higher salary to look forward to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    My wife just got back to Canada after 6 weeks and she said she thinks it is "cheaper" for her to live in Canada with the wages here vs prices than Thailand and the wages there vs prices

    Sounds like an excuse for running out of money on holiday 555
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    Hatari
    You always make interesting threads, always a good read.

    We are having this discussion over on AI that Thailand is becoming an expensive country for locals with local salaries

    My wife just got back to Canada after 6 weeks and she said she thinks it is "cheaper" for her to live in Canada with the wages here vs prices than Thailand and the wages there vs prices

    She is only talking everyday consumption
    Yeah, I think this confirms what we were saying over there. Lots in the 40-60k range and some a lot higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcTwoSix View Post
    Hatari
    We are having this discussion over on AI that Thailand is becoming an expensive country for locals with local salaries
    Agree - MsH knows she'd get much better pay if she went back to Bangkok but hates the place, the commuting, the overall costs etc. Chose to opt out for the 'simple life' in fresh-air, smaller company, an easy work/life balance decision, though biggest drawback is the six-day working week

    As you say, the 'everyday consumption' things keep going up, as with electricity, a slow creep of a few baht here and there every few months

    also the availability/temptation of things that are maybe unnecessary?

    Few months back I accompanied a school group to the movies - when the Army funded the showing of a historic movie available to all kids near a cinema - they had a show of hands and only 3 of the 60-70 kids had been to a movie theatre before despite living in that town which has 2 x 5-cinema complexes. With many parents probably earning in the 3-500 baht a day range, and it costing about 300 baht for 2 adult one child, just not on their budget 'to do' list. Same as eg KFC chicken/fries/coke at 'just 99b'

    As an HR person, a mix of sawdust and numbers in my head, sometimes do rough comparos of what minimum wages buys; eg NZ after tax just over $10/hr is the lowest an adult can be paid, Thailand 300 baht NZ$12 equates to about 40b/hour. 'generally' I'd say the minimum rate NZer has more buying power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Sounds like an excuse for running out of money on holiday 555
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    Ain't that the truth!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatari View Post
    Tax - these rates for 2014, don't think they've changed

    0-150,000 Exempt
    more than 150,000 but less than 300,000 5%
    more than 300,000 but less than 500,000 10%
    more than 500,000 but less than 750,000 15%
    more than 750,000 but less than 1,000,000 20%
    more than 1,000,000 but less than 2,000,000 25%
    more than 2,000,000 but less than 4,000,000 30%
    Over 4,000,000 35%

    wouldn't guess at numbers, but 'many' pay no tax at all - anyone on under 12,500 per month, which would be quite a percentage I'd say

    And there are many ways around moving into a higher bracket; can only speak from what MsH has said, they'll have staff on a salary and their next salary rise may not be salary at all, but something like 'company paid house rent, fuel allowance, etc' keeps the taxable gross down but still rewards the employee.

    The company she works for, as well as the annual bonus, has overseas trips for staff who've been there a few years, 2013 Macau/Hong Kong, 2014 South Korea. Good for team/company spirit, this would involve management, engineers through to eg a truck driver/crane operator, as a family-owned company they're big on the family ethic, many of the road labour workforce live on-site along with their families.

    I mentioned in earlier post 1. MsH's promised salary increase, well yes she got that in first pay of 2015 on Wednesday this week, and 2 about her brother in Japan; well he got back home last weekend, big family turnout at Suvarnabhumi to welcome him back, saw pics he was very emotional, missed his wife and two under-fives (though could Skype almost every day) 7mths along time away from family. Even grandma was there (took her own flight, broomstick). But big pay-off for him career-wise; was housed/fed there so barely touched salary, gets his bonus, plus moves into a team leader role so a higher salary to look forward to.
    Thanks for that Hatari, and I agree with Marc, your posts and threads are always informative, and your photo's excellent.

    A lot of the links you post are also good reading so thanks.

    I had no idea of what tax if any is paid, so it's interesting to see.

    I was once told by a BG no people pay tax just business. so i was wondering how it could work.
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    I will jump on skype and ask Au. She has worked at Vista and A-One The Cruise Hotel in Pattaya.

    Ok here we go.

    Au worked and A-One and shared apartment with her friend Porn on Soi1. The hotel is on Soi2.

    The cost for the apartment is 2.5k. The apartment has two rooms.. lounge / sleeping and a bathroom / toilet. There is also a small balcony out the back where they can BBQ
    or hang the laundry out. The apartment is approximately 6mtrs x 5mtrs in total.

    Au's salary as a recent employee of less than 1 year was 12k a month. There was also a 'Service Charge' of 6k in the high occupancy months being adjusted as occupancy fluctuated. This was paid to all employees monthly.

    Porn's salary was / is speculatively 18k as they didn't talk about their salaries specifically. Porn is an 8yr employee.

    In contrast, one of the BGs I know earns around 80k a month with sponsors of which I am not. She says she cannot work when she has Mens for 3 - 4 days which makes her working month around 26 days. Earnings from sponsors is 30k a month. That works out to about 2k a day from drinks and customers. Some customers buy her clothes, some take her out for dinner etc. Quite an easy earn when you aren't paying taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatari View Post
    Tax - these rates for 2014, don't think they've changed

    0-150,000 Exempt
    more than 150,000 but less than 300,000 5%
    more than 300,000 but less than 500,000 10%
    more than 500,000 but less than 750,000 15%
    more than 750,000 but less than 1,000,000 20%
    more than 1,000,000 but less than 2,000,000 25%
    more than 2,000,000 but less than 4,000,000 30%
    Over 4,000,000 35%

    wouldn't guess at numbers, but 'many' pay no tax at all - anyone on under 12,500 per month, which would be quite a percentage I'd say

    And there are many ways around moving into a higher bracket; can only speak from what MsH has said, they'll have staff on a salary and their next salary rise may not be salary at all, but something like 'company paid house rent, fuel allowance, etc' keeps the taxable gross down but still rewards the employee.

    The company she works for, as well as the annual bonus, has overseas trips for staff who've been there a few years, 2013 Macau/Hong Kong, 2014 South Korea. Good for team/company spirit, this would involve management, engineers through to eg a truck driver/crane operator, as a family-owned company they're big on the family ethic, many of the road labour workforce live on-site along with their families.

    I mentioned in earlier post 1. MsH's promised salary increase, well yes she got that in first pay of 2015 on Wednesday this week, and 2 about her brother in Japan; well he got back home last weekend, big family turnout at Suvarnabhumi to welcome him back, saw pics he was very emotional, missed his wife and two under-fives (though could Skype almost every day) 7mths along time away from family. Even grandma was there (took her own flight, broomstick). But big pay-off for him career-wise; was housed/fed there so barely touched salary, gets his bonus, plus moves into a team leader role so a higher salary to look forward to.
    Wow I have asked the wife many years adhoc, periodically how that systems works. Appreciate your insist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatari View Post
    Tax - these rates for 2014, don't think they've changed

    0-150,000 Exempt
    more than 150,000 but less than 300,000 5%
    more than 300,000 but less than 500,000 10%
    more than 500,000 but less than 750,000 15%
    more than 750,000 but less than 1,000,000 20%
    more than 1,000,000 but less than 2,000,000 25%
    more than 2,000,000 but less than 4,000,000 30%
    Over 4,000,000 35%

    wouldn't guess at numbers, but 'many' pay no tax at all - anyone on under 12,500 per month, which would be quite a percentage I'd say

    And there are many ways around moving into a higher bracket; can only speak from what MsH has said, they'll have staff on a salary and their next salary rise may not be salary at all, but something like 'company paid house rent, fuel allowance, etc' keeps the taxable gross down but still rewards the employee.

    The company she works for, as well as the annual bonus, has overseas trips for staff who've been there a few years, 2013 Macau/Hong Kong, 2014 South Korea. Good for team/company spirit, this would involve management, engineers through to eg a truck driver/crane operator, as a family-owned company they're big on the family ethic, many of the road labour workforce live on-site along with their families.

    I mentioned in earlier post 1. MsH's promised salary increase, well yes she got that in first pay of 2015 on Wednesday this week, and 2 about her brother in Japan; well he got back home last weekend, big family turnout at Suvarnabhumi to welcome him back, saw pics he was very emotional, missed his wife and two under-fives (though could Skype almost every day) 7mths along time away from family. Even grandma was there (took her own flight, broomstick). But big pay-off for him career-wise; was housed/fed there so barely touched salary, gets his bonus, plus moves into a team leader role so a higher salary to look forward to.
    Ao's best friend is married to a Malaysian
    He works for Toyota and they go on company sponsored trips every 9 months or so.

    Her uncle has worked in Korea for 20 years, just retired in his 50's
    I don't understand why her brothers don't do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatari View Post
    Link to annual report from ADECCO - Thailand Salary Guide 2015
    The numbers in this guide, is that annual salary...or monthly. Seems very low for annual, but maybe too high for monthly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatari View Post
    Tax - these rates for 2014, don't think they've changed

    0-150,000 Exempt
    more than 150,000 but less than 300,000 5%
    more than 300,000 but less than 500,000 10%
    more than 500,000 but less than 750,000 15%
    more than 750,000 but less than 1,000,000 20%
    more than 1,000,000 but less than 2,000,000 25%
    more than 2,000,000 but less than 4,000,000 30%
    Over 4,000,000 35%

    wouldn't guess at numbers, but 'many' pay no tax at all - anyone on under 12,500 per month, which would be quite a percentage I'd say

    And there are many ways around moving into a higher bracket; can only speak from what MsH has said, they'll have staff on a salary and their next salary rise may not be salary at all, but something like 'company paid house rent, fuel allowance, etc' keeps the taxable gross down but still rewards the employee.

    The company she works for, as well as the annual bonus, has overseas trips for staff who've been there a few years, 2013 Macau/Hong Kong, 2014 South Korea. Good for team/company spirit, this would involve management, engineers through to eg a truck driver/crane operator, as a family-owned company they're big on the family ethic, many of the road labour workforce live on-site along with their families.

    I mentioned in earlier post 1. MsH's promised salary increase, well yes she got that in first pay of 2015 on Wednesday this week, and 2 about her brother in Japan; well he got back home last weekend, big family turnout at Suvarnabhumi to welcome him back, saw pics he was very emotional, missed his wife and two under-fives (though could Skype almost every day) 7mths along time away from family. Even grandma was there (took her own flight, broomstick). But big pay-off for him career-wise; was housed/fed there so barely touched salary, gets his bonus, plus moves into a team leader role so a higher salary to look forward to.
    "Grandma took her own flight, broomstick".....


    That's just so funny....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakeboy View Post
    The numbers in this guide, is that annual salary...or monthly. Seems very low for annual, but maybe too high for monthly?
    I don't see anything but monthly salaries in there....
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    300 to 360? Can't have that, says the chief of just about everything
    20% increase too much to try for, though a flat 'no' rather than any middle ground
    MsH's company raised wages for perm staff by 11% in January don't know where they got that figure from. But their main labour force, labourers for roading construction, remain on 300 baht per day, bad weather = no work/ money


    Prayut rules out increase in daily minimum wage

    THE NATION June 26, 2015

    PRIME Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha affirmed yesterday that the daily minimum wage would not be hiked, as doing so it would require a large budget.

    Earlier yesterday, 150 labour activists led by the Thai Labour Solidarity Committee and the State Enterprise Labour Relations Committee submitted a demand for the daily minimum wage to be increased from Bt300 to Bt360 to the prime minister, who is also chief of the National Council for Peace and Order.

    They also opposed the idea of wage payment by regions, saying it could cause inequity and workers migrating to higher-paying areas. Kamol Suksomboon, an adviser a PM's Office minister, accepted their letter on behalf of Prayut.
    Prayut rules out increase in daily minimum wage - The Nation

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    Thanks Hatari,

    This is the exact kind of information that can really fill in the blanks for new (and older) BM's. This kind of information is gold because it (the wage info) is coning form a variety of sources and levels in Thai society.

    I'd vote this thread for a sticky in an info section.

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    So could go lower than 300baht depending where you live?

    New daily minimum wage varied by economy, region may replace the 300-baht wage next year

    BANGKOK: The 300-baht daily minimum wage which was in force across the country since 1 January 2013 may be replaced with a new minimum wage which will vary by economy and cost of living of each province and region.
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    It's coming up to annual bonus time for many Thai companies and their employees, difficult to predict this year.

    What i would predict is that few companies will equal the bonus announced by AOT Airports of Thailand at end of October, after announcing a 12.8 billion baht profit, gave the good news to their staff - 7.5 months salary paid out as a bonus

    Last year staff received 6.5 months salary bonus.
    I don't expect they have staff turnover problems, that does buy a lot of loyalty

    The bonus would serve as an added incentive for employees
    Airports of Thailand approves bonuses over record profit | Bangkok Post: news


    And then

    9 December 2015

    Businesses are unlikely to recruit more employees or increase salaries in 2016, a survey by the Employers' Confederation of Thai Trade and Industry has indicated.

    Some businesses may increase wages, with the maximum at 5%.

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...-rises-in-2016
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    On a very local (our household) level, MsH doesn't know what to expect. Company doing well but made big investments in new trucks, road building machinery which will bring in more money, but wait and see on impact to expected bonus and/or % salary increase
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    ^ That a serious bonus of 7.5 months pay. You would think alot of the car manufacturers would be getting good returns as quite a few brands are made in Thailand now, here in Australia alot of the brands have a waiting list as they cant supply enough vehicles, unlike our made in Australia Falcon/Commodore whose days are numbered.


    My missus still says the going day rate for a farm worker in Northern Thailand is 200 baht ?


    Fingers crossed MsH get a nice little surprise from her employer.
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    My missus still says the going day rate for a farm worker in Northern Thailand is 200 baht ?

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