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    Bua Noi - a captive gorilla in Bangkok

    I remember this being in the news two maybe three years ago and I mistakenly thought this zoo, occupying 6th and 7th floors of a Bangkok department store, had subsequently been closed down.

    Wrong.

    In the news again today.
    I thought Phuket Zoo was bad when I visited in 2009 - this looks far worse. No attempt made towards creating a natural environment, concrete and steel bars.
    But must be profitable.

    Can only hope this latest campaign is successful; though these animals may never integrate with others of their kind if transferred to a modern zoo (?)

    Campaign to free gorilla from high-rise zoo in Bangkok
    The Nation September 23, 2014



    A CAMPAIGN to take Bua Noi - a female gorilla held in the Pata Zoo - to a better home has gained fresh momentum as the chief of a key agency has now agreed to look into the case.

    The Pata Zoo is on the top two floors of the Pata department store, an ageing building on a busy street in Bangkok.

    It houses more than 200 species of animals, reptiles, turtles, birds, monkeys, leopards, tigers, bears, and the lone gorilla, Bua Noi.

    Animal lover Sinjira Apaitan started an online campaign to help Bua Noi through change.org nearly a year ago.

    Now, she is preparing to sit down with the Department of National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation (DNP) chief Nipon Chotibal tomorrow for talks on how to improve Bua Noi's fate.

    "This is going to be another historic chapter in Thailand's zoo industry," Sinjira said via her website.

    Sinjira, a Thai woman who lives in New Zealand, has been trying to raise public awareness, saying a gorilla like Bua Noi deserves a home better than being locked up in a caged area on the top of a Bangkok department store.

    Sinjira lamented that such a loving and intelligent creature had lived in such conditions for nearly three decades when it should have been allowed to enjoy a better home elsewhere.

    "I need to speak up not just for Bua Noi but also for other rare wild animals facing a similar fate," she said.

    Sinjira plans to ask the DNP to revoke the licence to operate the zoo at the Pata department store.

    "The licence expired last year anyway," she claimed.
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    The Pata Zoo in Bangkok occupies the top two floors of a department store on a busy street in the northern suburbs of Thailand's capital.

    Crammed into cages and pens across the sixth and seventh floor of the ageing building are more than 200 species.

    Inmates of the prison-like structure include a female gorilla, emaciated tigers or penguins.

    Their first gorilla was a male called Bwana that arrived in February 1984 from Gelsenkirchen. Three years later, they imported Buanoi, a female that arrived in September 1987 from Africa. Although both them lived together, they never to have babies and Bwana died in 2000.

    Gorillas enclosure is old fashioned looking and is completely indoor. It is a 10x15 meters yard, concrete pen with iron bars to separate gorilla from visitors.

    The enclosure has some ropes, tree trunks, a tire (shaped as a swing), and a TV as enrichment.

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    Concrete jungle: Department store's zoo sparks controversy
    1/10/2011
    By Warangkana Chomchuen, NBC News

    About 200 species a gorilla, a penguin, bears, tigers, leopards, sheep, flamingos, pythons, and nocturnal animals are crammed into cages and pens that are too small or otherwise inadequate for them. The two floors of the zoo are each about the size of a soccer field.

    The zoo's superstar, a 20-year-old female gorilla, lives in a 10x15-yard concrete pen. "Bua Noi," as she is called, sat gripping the iron bars of her dim cage, with only a tire, ropes, and TV playing slapstick comedy to keep her company on the day I visited.

    Nearby, two tigers restlessly walked in their cages, their spines and ribs visibly protruding, their hollow-looking faces seemingly all bone. A black jaguar jumped wildly up and down on the fence at the sight of approaching visitors two feet away. And one dazed Humboldt penguin, the lone survivor out of an original group of a dozen, stared blankly at a glass wall in its air-conditioned room.

    "No animals can stay healthy psychologically and physically in a building or in an air-conditioned room," said Edwin Wiek, director of Wildlife Friends Foundation Thailand. "A zoo in a building like Pata is hazardous to animals and humans. It should be a thing of the past."

    Animal-rights activists have been fighting to shut down the zoo for years, but it's a losing battle. The zoo is not illegal in Thailand. The animals were obtained legally and the zoo has a license.


    The Pata Zoo's star attraction, "Bua Noi" a 20-year-old gorilla, sits in her dimly lit cage.

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    From Thailand’s booming animal attractions take their toll
    15 AUG 2014


    A picture made available on 15 August 2014 shows a confined orangutan, at Pata Zoo, situated on situated on the top floor of a shopping center in Bangkok, 05 August 2014.


    A picture made available on 15 August 2014 shows tourists taking pictures with their mobile phones of an orangutan and her baby at Pata Zoo, on the top floor of a shopping center in Bangkok, 05 August 2014.


    A picture made available on 15 August 2014 shows baby orangutan Pang Porn playing with the only play thing in her cement cage – a chain – as a woman looks through the bars at Pata Zoo, on the top floor of a shopping center in Bangkok, 05 August 2014.


    A picture made available on 15 August 2014 shows a captive leopard behind bars at Pata Zoo, on the top floor of a shopping center in Bangkok, 05 August 2014.

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    Just plain sad.

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    The people responsible deserve to be locked in a cage and put on display!

    How can the authorities allow this??
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    Quote Originally Posted by justcruzing1 View Post
    How can the authorities allow this??
    laws from the dark ages?

    Animal-rights activists have been fighting to shut down the zoo for years, but it's a losing battle. The zoo is not illegal in Thailand. The animals were obtained legally and the zoo has a license.
    Sickening; not just for the gorilla but for every one of the animals. As I said in OP, I thought this place was closed down after protests a few years ago but must have been able to get licence renewal again.
    Here's hoping that this year is the one that they're successful.
    This time seems there is a bit of money behind the protest, have seen colour adverts in Thai language newspapers highlighting the conditions of these animals 'home'

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    This is tragic. It's a shame there isn't more of an uproar from within Thailand...
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    I went to the Phukett Zoo and felt terrible about the condition of the animals and their enclosures but this BKK one makes Phukett look OK.
    If either were here in Aust. they would be closed on the spot and hefty fines.
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    Truly sad and much worse than the Tiger zoo in Kanchanaburi which gets a lot of bad press that is totally deserved. I've been to the Kanchanaburi zoo once and would never go again. I also advise everyone I talk to not to go. And, I am person who actually enjoys well run zoos, providing the animals best interests are kept foremost in mind.

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    Lost track of this one .... nothing has changed, this female gorilla remaining locked into a department store prison

    This Gorilla Is Stuck All By Herself In A Shopping Mall
    It's been 30 years


    A 30-year-old gorilla lives in a cage on the seventh floor of a high-rise department store in downtown Bangkok, Thailand.

    Bua Noi, which means Little Lotus, isn't the only animal there - though she might very well be the saddest. She lives all alone in her barred enclosure at Pata Zoo, which also apparently holds orangutans, chimpanzees, monkeys, leopards, reptiles and birds in cages on top of the shopping complex and is accessed via an elevator.
    For years, animal activists have been trying to shut the place down.
    In 2015, there were reports that authorities finally recognized how abhorrent the zoo was for the animals who lived there. It seemed that things were finally going to change.
    Some reports even declared that Bua Noi had been "rescued."
    But when the headlines grew stale and the spotlight on the cruelty dimmed, it never became clear whether the animals were rescued, and if they were, where they ended up.
    Photos posted online since then, by zoo visitors, appeared to tell a different story - that the animals remained locked up in the shopping mall.


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    So much for the whole Buddhist malarkey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    So much for the whole Buddhist malarkey.
    Exactly. Just like the so called sanctuary for tigers in that monk run zoo west of Kanchanaburi. Bunch of evil bastards. Don't tell me that politicians are not being paid off because I won't believe you.

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    The only hope is that people stop visiting.. but then I wonder how they will dispose of the occupants?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distantpeak View Post
    The only hope is that people stop visiting.. but then I wonder how they will dispose of the occupants?
    Trouble is, due to the nature of the "attraction" and it's location, the majority of the foot traffic it sees are probably from tourists or people that are just passing through. I very much doubt anyone would ever go there more than once. And if all it took was people visiting once, only to come out feeling sad and disgusted, you'd still have enough foot traffic to keep the place going until poor Bua Noi kicks the bucket.

    This needs more international attention. The only way to get the Thais do make any sort of change in this type of situation is to expose them and bring them shame.
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    Well said, Bacon. Unfortunately, if those in control of things are getting a bribe, then nothing will be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    Trouble is, due to the nature of the "attraction" and it's location, the majority of the foot traffic it sees are probably from tourists or people that are just passing through. I very much doubt anyone would ever go there more than once. And if all it took was people visiting once, only to come out feeling sad and disgusted, you'd still have enough foot traffic to keep the place going until poor Bua Noi kicks the bucket.

    This needs more international attention. The only way to get the Thais do make any sort of change in this type of situation is to expose them and bring them shame.
    Hope you realize the paradox...
    Media attention about how bad this zoo is.. Heaps of people, Thai and foreign, want to go see for themselves...
    No such thing as bad publicity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RakThai View Post
    Hope you realize the paradox...
    Media attention about how bad this zoo is.. Heaps of people, Thai and foreign, want to go see for themselves...
    No such thing as bad publicity?
    Unfortunately, that is very true. Like all the Christians visiting the "poor unfortunates" in "backward" countries and then trying to "convert" them to Christianity. But, they never bring anything constructive that would actually help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Forbes View Post
    Unfortunately, that is very true. Like all the Christians visiting the "poor unfortunates" in "backward" countries and then trying to "convert" them to Christianity. But, they never bring anything constructive that would actually help.
    Bit like that Monty Python sketch of "what did the Romans ever do for us?..

    I worked in Tanzania, in a mission Hospital of all places..

    Not a fan of Christianity or colonialism, but..
    Mission Hospitals worked, government Hospitals did not..
    Mission schools worked, state schools not so much..

    Successful businesses.. Expat
    Successful media.. Expat
    Hell, Coca-Cola had a better infrastructure than any government effort...

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