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    Safety rating of Thai aviation lowered




    The Federal Aviation Administration in a statement late Tuesday said Thailand's civil aviation authority no longer met "minimum global standards", a decision that could hamper the operation of Thai airlines worldwide.

    The downgrade to Tier 2 means that Thailand will not be granted new flight routes to the USA although existing routes can continue operating. Airline safety regulators around the world often take their cue from FAA safety rulings, and any further downgrades or blacklisting by EASA would deal a direct and more damaging blow to the Thai aviation industry, given that dozens of Thai-registered airlines fly direct between Bangkok and numerous European cities daily.

    However, Thai officials remained optimistic that the United States downgrade does not pose immediate business impact on the Thai aviation industry, as THAI has halted its services to the USA since October. However, aviation experts said the safety downgrade would affect Thai carriers working as the main operator with a United States airline under a code-share agreement, as Thai Airways does in some cases.

    The FAA said Thailand had failed to tackle shortcomings found in an audit this year in commercial aviation standards. Thai Airways International (THAI) suspended its last remaining USA route, to Los Angeles, on 25 October.

    The Montreal-based International Civil Aviation Authority, a division of the United Nations, downgraded Thailand in June after finding a shortage of technical officers and certification problems in transporting hazardous goods. The European Aviation Safety Agency is due to announce the results later in December of its audit. This puts Thailand in the same aviation safety bracket as Bangladesh, Ghana, Indonesia and Uruguay.

    Those restrictions have since been relaxed. Aviation specialist Ellis Taylor of Flight global said a move by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) against individual Thai airlines would have an impact on Thai Airways as well as Bangkok Airways. But it does mean that THAI will not be able to resume U.S. flights until the safety rating improves.

    Thai Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith stated that the FAA has 33 concerns about Thailand's aviation sector of which inadequate personnel and the incomplete vetting of licensed pilots carried the most weight. Nok shares were flat on Wednesday.
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    Learning a lot about this now and disparity with flight crews. JC1 started a thread about a BKK airport show and a doctor that is both a pilot of a 747 and a Dr MD under 40 years old.

    Not only with my son.... bar chatter in hotels I stay in. With penalties my son is in a plus $100K bracket. Flying buzzy boxes regional. Thai International Captains are earning less!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontymate View Post
    Learning a lot about this now and disparity with flight crews. JC1 started a thread about a BKK airport show and a doctor that is both a pilot of a 747 and a Dr MD under 40 years old.

    Not only with my son.... bar chatter in hotels I stay in. With penalties my son is in a plus $100K bracket. Flying buzzy boxes regional. Thai International Captains are earning less!!!!

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    Many pilots in the US surviving on food stamps!

    Talking about air safety, we've had a Malaysia A330 coming in will the lower part of the rear cargo door missing, noticed it 2 months ago and they are still flying in with it like that. Two days ago same aircraft flew in with a fuel pump problem, returning pilot refused to fly it back, good call I recon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bawdy View Post
    Many pilots in the US surviving on food stamps!

    Talking about air safety, we've had a Malaysia A330 coming in will the lower part of the rear cargo door missing, noticed it 2 months ago and they are still flying in with it like that. Two days ago same aircraft flew in with a fuel pump problem, returning pilot refused to fly it back, good call I recon!
    i wonder if the passengers were given the choice of not flying in a faulty plane?
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    One thing that surprised me a few years ago when I started looking into a pilot's licence was just how low paid most pilots are. It's just another ****ty job behind a desk. Just happens to be in the sky with way more stress.

    I still like a licence though. Small aircraft ones are surprisingly easy to get. A guy at work got his and is now crop dusting for $500 a day cash. Only works about 3-4 hours a day too. I bet that's more than what your average 747 pilot makes.
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    ^ definitely more dangerous than a 747 pilot. them things get snagged up on power lines and the like all the time.
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    Pilots with experience make decent money.....although not what they used to make.

    But I don't understand the fuss about what starting pilots make.......it's seems no one thinks people need to start at the bottom and work their way up anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    One thing that surprised me a few years ago when I started looking into a pilot's licence was just how low paid most pilots are. It's just another ****ty job behind a desk. Just happens to be in the sky with way more stress.

    I still like a licence though. Small aircraft ones are surprisingly easy to get. A guy at work got his and is now crop dusting for $500 a day cash. Only works about 3-4 hours a day too. I bet that's more than what your average 747 pilot makes.
    I've known a few guys who've become pilots.
    And actually I was pretty surprised how fast they got info major airlines.

    But what striked me the most......is all of them almost looked at getting paid as a luxury.
    They were stoked to be getting the flying hours.

    That's pretty damn cool to feel that way if you ask me.

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    On my return sector to London on a Thai A380 we had a last minute overshoot, very gentle really, and the Captain came on the P.A. soon after to explain about traffic not clearing quick enough from the runway for separation; he sounded calm but I expect he was one of the top dogs to be on that type and we landed nicely soon after Phew!
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    Airline safety is monitored by various agencies including Boeing/Airbus and PW/GE engine makers. FAA downgrades are more about procedural problems and deficiencies within a region. Thailand sucks!

    TG pilots are pretty well trained. Too bad their customer and cabin service has slipped.
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    tiger moth crashed on the gold coast yesterday in blustery conditions,one dead another close to it.....yes they still use them in Oz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo Uaon View Post
    tiger moth crashed on the gold coast yesterday in blustery conditions,one dead another close to it.....yes they still use them in Oz


    Will Qantas or Canberra's junta be maligned as a result? 555
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo Uaon View Post
    tiger moth crashed on the gold coast yesterday in blustery conditions,one dead another close to it.....yes they still use them in Oz
    Killed a bloke I used to work with.... x train driver from Grafton, Garry Turnbull
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    I don't know about Thai aviation being particularly bad... Just my experience.

    Like most, I have used Thai Airlines (not airways, tho I use them as well) extensively. I have used NOK, AA, Thai, Orient Thai, Bangkok Airways. we had a scare last year on a Bangkok airways flight when leaving BKK, when we lost a helluva lot of hydraulic fluid, after a pump gave up. Had to circle BKK, before landing way way away from the terminals amongst a group of emergency appliances. That was a bit hairy.

    Overall, I find Thai, NOK and Bangkok Airways, to be pretty damn good. Not so much AA, but that is mainly because of their shambolic check in.. doesn't matter what airport, it is always a shambles. With the others mentioned above, it is rare, in my experience, to be any longer than about 10 minutes to check in for a flight.

    I think Thai aviation is OK'ish. I'll tell you what I won't get on, and that is Indonesian Airlines... Now there is a country with problems!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo Uaon View Post
    tiger moth crashed on the gold coast yesterday in blustery conditions,one dead another close to it.....yes they still use them in Oz
    That's the one that flies out from behind movie world I think, seen it in the air for years very sad.
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    ^ yeah,i always like looking at them flying past but always had a death trap feeling about something so old.

    wind was gusting up to 60k's/hr on the ground the day it happened. will have to wait and see what the probable cause of it was.

    pilot had the record as being the youngest to circumnavigate the planet..think he was 16 when he did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wabbits View Post
    That's the one that flies out from behind movie world I think, seen it in the air for years very sad.
    Thats the one. Not the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaptainrob View Post
    Airline safety is monitored by various agencies including Boeing/Airbus and PW/GE engine makers. FAA downgrades are more about procedural problems and deficiencies within a region. Thailand sucks!

    TG pilots are pretty well trained. Too bad their customer and cabin service has slipped.

    Your are correct in saying the OEM's are rigorous. The company I'm involved with ATM has just received accreditation from Rolls Royce. They would just laugh at accreditation from someone like CASA.. First there is ISO / AS 9001 then back onto that NADCAP as a start. ~ $200 K then up to RR standard where they will come in with a light meter to check every inch^2 has adequate lighting, and want to see the staff's medical records for eye tests.
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    I bet RR sh1t themselves when that turbine flew apart on the Qantas A380

    https://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/201...e-failure.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuzzy View Post
    I bet RR sh1t themselves when that turbine flew apart on the Qantas A380

    https://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/201...e-failure.aspx

    These companies operate with the most stringent of operating requirements.

    Engine health management
    Yes that was discussed during the audit. I thought it would be with a sense of shame. It was not, It was a sense of we have learned so much from that to make it better.
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