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    Tiling our Driveway ?

    Like the thread name says i am thinking of tiling the front yard of our house and also around the house in Chiang Rai, around the house will never get any heavy traffic except maybe me on a motorbike 555.......................However the front of the house and leading to our garage will have our Toyota Revo driving all over it, will the tiling handle this or will the weight of the car crack the tiles ?................obviously many car yards have tiled showroom floors, do they use a heavy duty tile ?


    The main reason for the tiling besides improving the look of the front of the house is to stop the concrete going black, which it seems to do in months 555
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    You could always colour the concrete Rivo, wouldn't that be a lot less expensive than tiling over concrete, which I'd imagine you'd have to do ?

    Have it tinted black - the more colour they add, the darker the black.

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    In one of my workshops we had a large tiled area for clients to collect the finished cars and it all cracked. When new it was good, and we used a non-slip outdoor tile.

    I wanted to tile my garage in my last house but had concerns of it cracking again. the tiler explained to me that if the tiler doesn’t do the job write it will crack. the job in my garage was perfect and didn’t crack. we used the same tile, so it was defiantly the labour.

    IMO knowing what labour is like in Thailand I wouldn’t do it. just my opinion.
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    Rough concrete = better traction for feet and tyres when it's wet.
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    We tiled 120m down below, was raw concrete when you visited I think? I was worried about cracking but 4 years on and it's still perfect. The secret was in the purchase of porcelain tiles which don't chip or crack easily. D-Max rolls over them quite happily.

    If laid professionally on a thick, wet bed of mortar one shouldn't have a problem. We went with tiles over sand-wash (exposed aggregate topping) for easy maintenance. Many tiled driveways around here and they stand the test of time better than most other solutions.

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    ^ That's what I was thinking. Pavers are one thing, but tiles? That'd get pretty slippery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    ^ That's what I was thinking. Pavers are one thing, but tiles? That'd get pretty slippery.
    In normal shoes not slippery. Worn smooth soled flip flops/jandals/thongs etc are ok as long you're aware otherwise you can aquaplane, not slip per se. Our tiles have a non-slip surface.
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    Another option is stamped concrete though it works out rather expensive. Also subject to cracking, chipping and marking from tyres with any slight wheel-spin.

    If I were concreting (stamped) OR tiling a large expanse such as your front yard I'd break it up into sections. ie: driveway with border, non-vehicle area, etc. Make allowance for future renovation should it be necessary. Same applies with sand-wash (can be used in conjunction with tiles). And apply a concrete sealer after the mandatory curing period.
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    my ex-area of expertise .... i say expertise because the surfaces i dealt with had anything from cars, trucks and up to those monster forklifts carrying 40 foot containers you see at the shipping ports, 100 tonne worth, we paved football fields worth of areas for Patrick's at Port Botany in Sydney.

    Firstly, most people blame the tiles or tilers work if any cracking occurs, but don't realize the main reason for a fail of most pavement surfaces is actually the subgrade underneath, if the concrete moves/shfits/migrates in anyway. this will always reflect to the surface on top.

    An example of this might be the concrete is laid straight on top of a clay sub-base, with not enough coarse river sand between, the clay gets wet and swells, dries out and shrinks, this starts to effect the concrete above, or opposite to this, the sub-base under the concrete migrates, so it was fine soil that was not compacted well, or there was water movement helping to migrate this sub-base, now we have a cavity and the concrete is having to bridge the cavity everytime a car passes over it, the concrete sinks pr cracks itself, but the tile can't sink with it as its a rigid surface on top attached to all the other tiles ... its going to crack as the tile can't hold the weight without the concrete underneath ... concrete only needs to sink 5mm and major pressure is being applied to the tile.

    Bloody useless tilers the customer screams !!! .... tiler comes round and says its the tradesmen who laid the concretes fault ... and off starts this agruement between you and the trades .... Any outside area - TRADESMEN SHOULD BE INVOLVED OR DOING, EXCAVATION, SUB-BASES AND TOP SURFACE

    Expansion joints (ugly) .. yep these will help, but depending on the weights that will be driven on top, is it better to have the expansion joints in the concrete matching the expansion joints in the tiles exactly, so a whole section can move together ... better but still ugly ..55

    Different weight forces applied by the car .... is it a driveway that you are only driving in and out in a straight line .... will the line be exactly the same year after year ... or is the area big enough that turning will be involved, therefore a skewing effect on the tile and subgrade ... this is the biggest detriments to any paved surface, well that and weight, both of which we had to deal with in the container terminals, forklifts skew read bad, but a front wheel of a car turning hard applies a lot for pressure as well.


    A tile popping up or off is more a adhesion issue, and yeah blame the tiler .... but cracking, if the tiler wasn't involved in the subgrades underneath, it probably isn't his fault.

    So would i tile a driveway ? ..... only if the tiler was experienced in traffic areas, and he was involved in the whole job from dirt up ..... tiling is a rigid system, it has to be done perfectly in combination of what its laid on.


    Brick Paving is actually better system for weight and skew of traffic as its a flexible system, but it shouldn't be laid on concrete, as any subgrade water can't permeate or escape away as easy, and sand migration can occur. Brick Paving is mush better laid on Road-base ...

    I have just reliased i have explained all this before, as i end up pointing to my driveway that i paved, i actually used a very small percentage of cement mixed through a 20mm Road-base, watered and compacted. so it still had some felxabilty, could drain any subgrade water , and 20 years later after skewing bobcats, boats and my 2 tonne bronco over it, you could still put a 3 meter straight edge across at any point, and would be lucky so see 2 or 3 mm of light .... 5555

    Paving bricks however are porous, so do go green if in shade and need constant cleaning, also weeds grow in them..... so this depends on the area in terms of how much sun it gets

    Stamped concrete ... yuck, looks cheap and fake
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    Gav if going with tiles obviously have to be external non slip.

    Don't go for larger tiles stick with 450 x450mm not 600's there is also a Leveling compound, not cheap here but it is the secret to preventing cracking. When we do 600 x 600 it is mandatory with us. Remember to have expansion joints/cuts as well.

    Stay with natural or black grout otherwise you will see mold/mildew growing in the humid climate.

    Maybe look at some of the garage floor colour treatments. I would wonder if they stand up to the UV of being outside and the friction of the tyres.
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    ^ I agree 100% with Syd, the concrete slab must be structurally stable though this is seldom the case with Thai laid outdoor areas.

    I also hate stamped concrete and as mentioned, both stamped and sandwash can deteriorate very fast with cracking, traffic and weather. Especially when laid on an already aged surface.

    Our carport/under-house area cops intense heat until ~11am, and gets very wet during the rainy season. I was worried about expansion/contraction causing tiles to pop or crack but it's still in perfect condition 3 years on.

    JC is also correct, smaller tiles are better. I have never seen a leveling compound used here, about as foreign as rubber-based tile adhesive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivo View Post
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    The main reason for the tiling besides improving the look of the front of the house is to stop the concrete going black, which it seems to do in months 555
    I bought myself a Karcher pressure sprayer .... highly effective in getting rid of that black weather staining and pleasant enough work in the BKK heat ... 555

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minder View Post
    I bought myself a Karcher pressure sprayer .... highly effective in getting rid of that black weather staining and pleasant enough work in the BKK heat ... 555

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    semi exposed concrete with nice coloured agg. then ground flat coarsely is the best for a garage, sealed to stop oil stains penetrating is the wise way to go. Tile even non-slip are bullshit in the wet, what they do thailand would never pass the BC in Australia, but hey lets talk about electricals to really upset the thai building lovers. Lets face it Rob the place is a technical asylum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzzyDamo View Post
    man's work, all it really needs is one hand for the hose and one for the beer. BTW there's your next job paint the steel gate!
    Gate painted .... 100 baht for the grey primer you can see and about 170 baht for the high gloss black .... and 570 baht or so for the slab of Leo cans ... 555
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzzyDamo View Post
    semi exposed concrete with nice coloured agg. then ground flat coarsely is the best for a garage, sealed to stop oil stains penetrating is the wise way to go. Tile even non-slip are bullshit in the wet, what they do thailand would never pass the BC in Australia, but hey lets talk about electricals to really upset the thai building lovers. Lets face it Rob the place is a technical asylum.
    Only problem is no one does exposed ag like in Oz. It's all sand-wash, a ~15mm topping using coloured 'sand' (actually course ground stone), the best of which I have seen is a black and grey mix. It at least hides the dark weathering stains somewhat.

    Grinding the top off concrete is popular in commercial renovations and industrial warehouses although the polished/sealed surface is even more slippery than non-slip tiles when wet.

    Tiles are widely used in Australia, Nexus Towers has acres of it between the buildings and across the forecourts facing Scarborough st.

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    My 2 cents worth terracotta tiles larger grout about 10 mil splayed on about 5 mil of adhesive with a rubberised base should handle said loads. Well that's what we did on the GC and it worked well over many years.
    had the odd tile come loose maybe 4 but easy to fix with the large groat spacing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaptainrob View Post
    ^ I agree 100% with Syd, the concrete slab must be structurally stable though this is seldom the case with Thai laid outdoor areas.

    I also hate stamped concrete and as mentioned, both stamped and sandwash can deteriorate very fast with cracking, traffic and weather. Especially when laid on an already aged surface.

    Our carport/under-house area cops intense heat until ~11am, and gets very wet during the rainy season. I was worried about expansion/contraction causing tiles to pop or crack but it's still in perfect condition 3 years on.

    JC is also correct, smaller tiles are better. I have never seen a leveling compound used here, about as foreign as rubber-based tile adhesive.

    Looks great Rob.

    I agree, stamp crete or stenciled crete are ugly and the sealing is a pain as the UV breaks it down. Also can become slippery.

    You have to have Cilican sand in the seal to get any grip and it wears down by the tyres.

    I had a display home in Pt MacQuarie with a stampcrete drive, one day in the rain an idiot decided to drive into the driveway and jump on the breaks, he skidded thru the pool fence and took out the glass sliding doors of the office/garage.

    Gav how much difference is there between the drive and the garage floor height? Be mindful of what ever you do not to have a drainage problem. If there is plenty of difference then you could consider topping the drive with a colored concrete but you need to grind the current surface down for it to bind.

    Forget about "Polished Concrete" if it is not setup for it when you lay the concrete then you are walking a minefield.

    Here In Qld less than 10% of house builders will do it. It is used in Commercial buildings but they employ specialist in the laying of the slab. The company I currently work for is one of the few that does it and we have 3 homes under construction at the moment with it.
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    Curious to see if LOS has anything other than the "extra slippy" variety of tile?
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