patong changes

[Notorius]

Thanks for remembering the name of that movie... "Devil's Own"
It was a sad but exciting movie, and at the same time where you are "pulling" for the "terrorist", despite his valid reasons.

Did you mean invalid reasons?

See that is the crux of the reason why things like that can’t be discussed because more often than not the person you are discussing/arguing with will never accept the fact that the reasons are valid despite an outcome. I understand that point of view but cannot accept it.

But the Palestinian situation is way more polarizing. When people argue that mortar attacks and machine guns against children with stones is valid rules of armed conflict means I can’t debate.

Loved devils own. Huge fan of brad Pitt and was quite a realistic portrayal based on when I lived in Yonkers.

But my lips are sealed and my Irish eyes are smiling even after spurs lost.

 

[Ian Forbes]

Did you mean invalid reasons?


Loved devils own. Huge fan of brad Pitt and was quite a realistic portrayal based on when I lived in Yonkers.

But my lips are sealed and my Irish eyes are smiling even after spurs lost.

I meant to say "because of" his valid reasons. When the army murdered his father it started a long chain of events. That happens to many families and it is understandable. Vengeance is a huge motivator when murder happens to family members. However, at what point does it stop?

It doesn't make it "better" by murdering someone else's family.

That has been the problem with so many wars in the past. The hatred still exists long after it should have died.

 

[Notorius]

I meant to say "because of" his valid reasons. When the army murdered his father it started a long chain of events. That happens to many families and it is understandable. Vengeance is a huge motivator when murder happens to family members. However, at what point does it stop?

It doesn't make it "better" by murdering someone else's family.

That has been the problem with so many wars in the past. The hatred still exists long after it should have died.

If someone murdered my family as in that film, I would feel no guilt murdering the person who did it. When you throw politics into the mix then it gets complicated.

I am a nationalist and a republican but I still believe in peace as long as it is accepted on both sides. Truth commissions are important to heal wounds and as long as to not brushed under the carpet, you have to believe in a peaceful legitimate process. Grudges should not be borne no matter what happened in the past.

A lot of the new terrorist organizations have nothing to do with a political goal and are nothing more than a front for criminal gangs.

But when a war is still ongoing and is sanctioned by a superpower and false propaganda and lies then head will always continue, i am just happy that at present we have a peaceful country and relative goodwill with our neighbors. 30 years ago that would have appeared impossible.

 

[Quarky]

I'm still interested to know why the US is so behind Israel. Is it purely geo-political? A gateway into the middle east? Or is it the Jewish influence from within America? Or both? I have never quite known the real reasons.

 

[Notorius]

I'm still interested to know why the US is so behind Israel. Is it purely geo-political? A gateway into the middle east? Or is it the Jewish influence from within America? Or both? I have never quite known the real reasons.

How long do you have because it is a myriad of reasons.

One being the amount of powerful Jews living in the States. Estimates are 25 times more than the UK. But it’s not simply numbers it is the positions that such a large number hold in Finance, Military, Retail, Politics etc etc etc.

Also the fact it’s relatively secular notwithstanding that fundamentalist Jews have so many high profile Government positions.

Also the location between many Muslim States which is a huge asset from a military perspective.

I could spend all day giving reasons but it’s a symbiotic relationship. And a toxic one.

 

[Quarky]

How long do you have because it is a myriad of reasons.

One being the amount of powerful Jews living in the States. Estimates are 25 times more than the UK. But it’s not simply numbers it is the positions that such a large number hold in Finance, Military, Retail, Politics etc etc etc.

Also the fact it’s relatively secular notwithstanding that fundamentalist Jews have so many high profile Government positions.

Also the location between many Muslim States which is a huge asset from a military perspective.

I could spend all day giving reasons but it’s a symbiotic relationship. And a toxic one.

So both then... 55

But yeah I'd like to know more. You feel like there must be something fundamental behind it... more than what appears on the surface... like when I was a kid I remember dad saying Israel were key in stopping Russia taking over the middle east? But not really heard much abut that since...

 

[Notorius]

Every person you talk to will tell you some crazy conspirac. Ranging from the Rothschilds running the world to the Jews controlling the weather.

I don’t have any conspiracies. Facts are facts and whatever the reason the US have an uncomfortable love affair with Israel. The USSR were actually Israel’s closest allies until the relationship formed with the US where they immediately switched sides espousing Zionism as a brain drain of Soviet elites. Israel therefore became a huge issue in the Cold War and that is why your Dad made that comment.

Since the Cold War finished and the fact the brain drain essentially was completed it was a moot point. Listen, who knows the reasons. We certainly can’t be 100% accurate. But it has a pretty much free reign on its persecution of Palestinians with only recently Europe becoming annoyed and anti Israel sentiment on import of goods as well as countess musicians and artists boycotting Israel.

A huge issue recently is Trumps policies inadvertently being seen as anti Israel and to make amends named Jerusalem the capital of Israel which sparked widespread condemnation. It was a purely ant-Palestinian decision. It is such a confusing conflict. It is likely never to be fixed. It is a million times more complex than the troubles in Ireland and a cauldron waiting to explode. That is why debating and discussing it is pointless on a forum like this.

 

[krukke]

Patong changes???

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[Quarky]

Every person you talk to will tell you some crazy conspirac. Ranging from the Rothschilds running the world to the Jews controlling the weather.

I don’t have any conspiracies. Facts are facts and whatever the reason the US have an uncomfortable love affair with Israel. The USSR were actually Israel’s closest allies until the relationship formed with the US where they immediately switched sides espousing Zionism as a brain drain of Soviet elites. Israel therefore became a huge issue in the Cold War and that is why your Dad made that comment.

Since the Cold War finished and the fact the brain drain essentially was completed it was a moot point. Listen, who knows the reasons. We certainly can’t be 100% accurate. But it has a pretty much free reign on its persecution of Palestinians with only recently Europe becoming annoyed and anti Israel sentiment on import of goods as well as countess musicians and artists boycotting Israel.

A huge issue recently is Trumps policies inadvertently being seen as anti Israel and to make amends named Jerusalem the capital of Israel which sparked widespread condemnation. It was a purely ant-Palestinian decision. It is such a confusing conflict. It is likely never to be fixed. It is a million times more complex than the troubles in Ireland and a cauldron waiting to explode. That is why debating and discussing it is pointless on a forum like this.

Not pointless at all. I think discussion like this helps people understand better. I am already learning more.

 

[Notorius]

Not pointless at all. I think discussion like this helps people understand better. I am already learning more.

But that is my point, this is not a discussion. I am giving my opinion unfettered and people can take from it what they want. But it is my opinion and what I have learned both from primary and secondary sources. It would be a different thing if someone was saying my opinion is skewed because of X,Y and Z and quoted a source that I would find reprehensible. Then tensions would raise. One side would call the other terrorist lovers while the other side would argue that they are supporters of war criminals. The whole thing would disintegrate and would leave a sour taste. I am all for learning and giving information that I believe to be true but due to personal experiences it would be too raw too engage in a debate from a keyboard where nuances could be misconstrued and things could be said in anger. I’m trying to keep everything zen at the moment. 5555 but I do appreciate you asking questions and listening and even saying you had learned something.

 

[Ian Forbes]

Maybe we could have a separate topic about on-going world conflicts, and move this good discussion over there... instead of being in "Patong changes".

I enjoy reasonable discussion and debate. I never see the need to get nasty when discussing anything.

 

[MarcTwoSix]

I'm a Patts guy now

Fxuk Patong!! 555

 

[Dupree]

I'm a Patts guy now

Fxuk Patong!! 555

 

[oldfella]

so!---to sum up , the exchange rate is sh-te, the place js overpriced,and they've cooked their golden goose through greed, as thai's do
looks like they'll be back on the farms soon!

 

[Bacon]

Not sure if posted previously but just saw this on fb. Done change between 88 and now. I like the song too.

https://youtu.be/Sew_B4HAu28

You could film the streets of a semi-impoverished African nation, put that track over it and you'd get the same video.
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What? It's not like he does anything there 55. Not sure why people would go to Patts if not for mongering. Unless he's squeezing a quiet one in here and there and not telling us. ..!!

 

[MarcTwoSix]

What? It's not like he does anything there 55. Not sure why people would go to Patts if not for mongering. Unless he's squeezing a quiet one in here and there and not telling us. ..!!

It was simply for convenience
Instead of driving 40mins past the airport to hang in BKK for the weekend it made more sense to stop in Patts and then just have that ride to the airport today

I still think Patts is an absolute dump, for the most part

But we simply love the Dusit Thani here
What a great weekend to end my trip hanging around the hotel all weekend

We ate at the grill and seafood buffet at hotel last night
960baht and well worth it

Ao had about 12 bbq prawns, 8 lobsters, 3 salmon and that was just her seafood portion of the meal 5555

 

[Notorius]

Paulie when you say 8 lobster is that full size lobster or is there a different type. If it’s full size then a career in competitive eating could be on the cards. I presume 3 salmon is 3 salmon fillets rather than 3 salmon?

You just never know as I have seen waifs of bgs shovel an impossible amount into them and then jump on the scales and chuckle that it read 48 kg.

 

[MarcTwoSix]

Paulie when you say 8 lobster is that full size lobster or is there a different type. If it’s full size then a career in competitive eating could be on the cards. I presume 3 salmon is 3 salmon fillets rather than 3 salmon?

You just never know as I have seen waifs of bgs shovel an impossible amount into them and then jump on the scales and chuckle that it read 48 kg.

No just small lobster tails

And 3 salmon filets

Actually she didn't eat as much as she usually does

But all of it was fantastic
Well worth the price

That's another reason I like this Dusit Thani.
It's mostly Thai and Asian guests and I just think they won't pay silly prices
So the prices at the hotel, around the pool, the buffet....are very reasonable for a 5 star hotel

 

[Ian Forbes]

My GAWD!!! I never thought I would see the day that Paul actually admitted that there are some "good" parts to Pattaya. It has never had to be about just the mongering... even though Pattaya does offer the best mongering in Thailand.

 

[MarcTwoSix]

My GAWD!!! I never thought I would see the day that Paul actually admitted that there are some "good" parts to Pattaya. It has never had to be about just the mongering... even though Pattaya does offer the best mongering in Thailand.

But honestly it is about a 4 block stretch from my hotel on Beach Rd

The rest is an absolute dump! 5555

But I'd gladly spend even more days here the next time at the Dusit Thani
2 days wasn't enough